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post #91 of 97
Ok, in the Burke Mt video drills series they have the "Get Over It" drill. A variation of sorts of the "Up and over" dril. Mikaela narrates.

I find the demonstration horrible and frankly the opposite of what she does while racing. It's not the edge change part, but the part where they move so far toward the tips of the ski. Mikaela does not race gs like that nor does anyone else who's fast. I find it bizarre actually.

Another misguided drill interpretation imo. I guess because they're so afraid of "up" they go towards the tip.

Get over it Drill:
post #92 of 97
Originally Posted by yogaman View Post

 Conversations like this remind me of a saying about medical school, "that half of what you learn is wrong, the problem is you don't know which half".  As I go thru my evolution in the development of my skiing (been skiing since 1960), new techniques develop and ski technique evolves with the development of technology (skis and boots) as well as those refinements that come from the highest levels of skiing.  Often times a new idea is proposed and we try it and adopt it or discard it depending upon whether it fits neatly into our theoretical  model of skiing or whether it seems to assist or hinder the perceived quality of our turns.  I'm well aware of how my ideas evolve over time where I change my thoughts about what seems to work or what's important in the latest and greatest ski technique. I'm also aware of how my thinking changes as my skiing evolves.   I have had to modify my thinking more than once as my knowledge or skills progress.  It seems as though some things never change but that the refinements in technique keep coming. I'm aware that even the best are always working on improving some aspect of their technique.   I certainly do not what to practice something that does not result in improving my desired outcome .  I do not want to undue something that is working well. I guess that's where each aspiring skier needs to find a coach or a mentor that they trust and believe in and develop a plan for improvement.   Controversial  issues like width of stance, to pull or not pull the feet, hip counter vs. skiing square keep making an appearance.  In the end it guess it comes down to who do you trust and what's your desired outcome. we pull the feet or not?   YM

You are very correct technique changes to adapt to the new design features of equipment (for the better or worse) and equipment tries to make technique easier.  Sort of a which came first question.


The biggest thing that I find is that the best technique seems to be adapted technique to new equipment that started well over 60-70 years ago.  The stuff that doesn't stay around are the fads that are radically different.  For me switching from straight to shaped I had to learn the slight timing changes and embrace the higher edge angles the skis allowed for amazing carving (something we always strived for on straight skis).  My technique didn't change as much as one would think, even though it looks different.  The base fundamental is there with all of the same rules, just the sequencing and implementation has changed to make it appear different.


Falls back to that old saying "What is old is new again".

post #93 of 97

Excellent job on your blog Razie!! Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up

post #94 of 97
Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post


Falls back to that old saying "What is old is new again".

1930 technique with modern music:



Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Originally Posted by patmoore View Post

... I keep coming back to is Dr. Arnold Fanck's Der Weisse Rauch from 1930.  It starred Leni Riefenstahl and Hannes Schneider and had some remarkable ski cinematography for its era.

post #95 of 97
Originally Posted by slider View Post

I was workimg on pulling my feet back yesterday along with a few other movements. In all honesty it did make a difference. I'm sold.


Assuming the skier is on some pitch skiing with some speed and some angles, the two-foot pull-back will accompany long-leg-short-leg reversal, and some work at the hip area to avoid rotating into the turn.  Pulling the feet back action is very effective in two different ways.


Pulling the new outside foot back at the top of the turn is an extension action.

--Getting that foot back involves extending the whole new outside leg back in a strong long-leg extension.  The glutes contract (hip extension).  This whole movement gets the new outside leg long and strong and and positions that foot behind the CoM from the start of the turn.  It gets the skier "forward."  This is not an advanced movement.  See here:


Pulling the new inside foot back at the top of the turn works differently from pulling the other one back. 

--Getting the new inside foot back accompanies a shortening of the new inside leg.  Pulling that new inside foot back needs to happen while the hip above it stays forward and high (to avoid upper body rotation), so the pull-back action happens low on the leg, not up at the hip.  This pull-back presses the shin into the tongue of the boot.  This pressing levers the tip of that ski downward into the snow and strengthens the contribution of the inside ski to shaping the turn.  

Edited by LiquidFeet - 3/11/15 at 11:27am
post #96 of 97
Originally Posted by Tog View Post

1930 technique with modern music:

The IMDb bio of the director of this 1930 film says of him:


Arnold Fanck was born March 6, 1889, in Frankenthal, Germany. A trained geologist, he began making documentary and action films after the end of World War I, and his love of geology inspired him to shoot his films in remote mountain locations. These pictures became immensely popular with the German audiences and led to what is known as the "mountain films", a genre that was pretty much begun by Fanck but carried on by other German and Austrian directors. Fanck worked most notably with Leni RiefenstahlGeorg Wilhelm Pabst and American director Tay Garnett.



...and, interestingly, from Wikipedia (  

Riefenstahl accompanied Fanck to the 1928 Olympic Games in St. Moritz, where she became interested in athletic photography and filming.[15]

post #97 of 97

Just looking at 0:22 to 0:34 looks pretty similar to modern technique, considering the equipment. ;) About  5:21 the guy is skiing what looks like skinny old twin tips :rotflmao:, just to mention a few items.


On a more serious note, put the skiers on modern equipement and watch what would happen.  Some of the tricks would stop (hard boots), some would improve (totally equipment) and some wouldn't change a bit. See, really hasn't changed as much as one thinks.


I must say pretty damn good skiing even this day in age.



I enjoyed that one Thumbs Up 




Edited to add some thoughts.

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