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quick hit reviews of skis from WWRSA show at Mt Rose, 2/9 2/10, 2015

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Thumbnails as they are called.

 

Monday, great pow day, 9-15 in on top of 2 plus feet of super wet and refrozen snow.

 

skied mixture of soft, tight trees, bumps, and access groomers.

 

Skier, moderate speed, finesse, level 3 cert instructor, old man boring turns, focus on feeling flow, not excitement.

 

First off, lots of great skis these days. It used to be that one company had a big winner, and lots of skis that were same as before, but all the skis are pretty darn good right now...

 

I limit my testing to companies with constructions and mounting points I like. 

Generally german speaking countries.... I have only bonded w/ skis from places like Austria, German and Switzerland in the the last 10-15 years, so I stick with those, ie: Kastle, Fischer, blizzard, Nordica, Head (some Atomic, although they often feel "french" to me)

 

First day:

 

Fischer Motive 95: 180

just dang good. solid feel, predictable, fun, confidence inspiring tip, great flex, my favorite 90 to 100 ski in quite some time, reminds me a friendlier, more approachable mx 98. I bought this one.

 

Head Monster 98, 177

Head is back. I had a good time on the head 105 on a pow day, but never bonded with any other REV. this new construction is all head, Austrian strength, but not overpowering. at first feel, I thought it would be just plain power, but it was just plain good. I still bought the motive 95, but this would be runner up in this category  for me.

 

Atomic Vantage 100 w/ metal, 180

I have been anti atomic for awhile, but the shape and tip of this one, with metal was interesting, and it was a very good ski. It won't make me change brands, but atomic is making really good skis, not recruiting me yet, but out my dungeon.

 

Nordica Enforcer (2), 177

I owned the enforcer and the hell and back (same shape as enforcer, no metal but carbon),

and, this is a very different ski. Both other Nordica's were old school, solid skis w/ good shape, camber and early engagement from the shovel. this one has the much longer tip taper, long rise. It had promise and I had fun, but couldn't find the sweet spot. As I mentioned in the Stockli review, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I like to drive a ski from the tip, and this new design is happier worked from the middle. Least favorite ski day 1. Also, was tuned super sharp, and and edges not polished well, so a bit hooky for the snow of the day, which could have shaped the review as well.

 

FIscher Ranger 108, 182

surprise of the day, 

caviat, I don't like skis over 100, really. having bonded with any. yes, today was good for a wider ski, but I still usually skis not much wider then the width of my boot, i just feel they want to flatten themselves on the snow too much, when I want to keep them tilted up high, so we argue...

but,

this one was the first over 100mm ski I've liked in years, and I loved it. something about the lower profile construction, great tip design, and shape and camber underfoot made it bring big smiles to my face.

I bought this one too.

 

Day 2: skied out pow, wind deposits, chutes opened first day, so deep w/ solid frozen layer from wet snow before.

before dishing out cash for ranger 108, I wanted to ski other 107-108 skis and make sure it wasn't a fluke.

 

Back on Ranger 108, first 2 runs:

Yep, fun, solid, no arguments w/ pilot, predictable and great.

 

Head Monster 108: 177

once again, seemed 'burley" at first hold, stand and cruise to lift. Heavier then Fischer, less shapely under foot, minimal early rise, "charger". But, like the 98, it was more versatile and friendly then that impression. Head has a great core design here. less poppy energy then I often like, but so smooth solid and predicable, 2nd favorite of day, but still felt wide an heavy, like I had a 108 on, unlike Fischer.

 

Stockli SR 107. 183

first off, I love the feel of the swiss high end core, sidewall and base. they are amazing. I am not bonding with their approach to new school shaping though. 

This one was a dichotomy to me, the middle of the ski was power, burley solidness, but the tip and tail were swishy looseness. in 3 runs, I couldn't figure out how to bond with the conflicting elements. Once again, the feel is surreal, and I love the luxo smoothness. Dawg and Phil both though the Stockli 88 was the ski for me because of the smooth silkiness, but the shapes give me issues. My feeling is that skis with too long a rise, or too much tip taper don't work for me well. I like a larger tip, and less rise, as I drive my skis from the tip. these big taper skis favor skiing from the middle more I believe, or arch, vs big toe where I like them to respond.

anyway, 3rd favorite of 4.

 

Blizzard Cochise 178,

they added more camber, so I was hoping it was coming toward me in design, but No.

least favorite ski of the day, or either day. just a dead plank with no interesting personality.

Maybe one either needs to go 40 plus mph all the time, or be 220 w/ big quads for this ski to work well. only ski of the 2 days I didn't enjoy at all.

 

All in all, fun day skiing great snow, on great skis.

 

As mentioned in my Fischer Love thread, I really like what they are doing. the new tip design/profile is just plain sweet, and solid race backed Austrian constructions. As mentioned, I bought motive 95, both 174 and 180, and the 182 Ranger 108.

 

Cheers,

Holiday


Edited by Holiday - 2/13/15 at 7:55am
post #2 of 8

Great quickies.  Thanks for the effort!

 

Also, I hate you at least a little bit for the powder day.  I haven't felt anything but hardpack and corn in weeks.

post #3 of 8

Wow, Fischer really got your love!  So I'm assuming you bought the Motive 95 for more power, all mountain type work......and the Ranger 108 for soft snow days?  Did you get the Rangers into the trees and bumps?  If so, thoughts?

 

Am looking for something to either replace or complement my Rossi E98s, so am particularly interested in some of these skis you've demoed.  Thanks for the thumbnails.

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yes, Motive is my most of the time ski, Ranger will be my pow and just after pow day ski.

 

I skied it quite a bit in the trees and bumps, but soft bumps, and they were great. Fun, playful, but solid on edge on the packed snow as well.

 

Of the big skis I tried and liked in these places, Monster was more solid and "linear", stockli was looser, Fischer was in the between, best in trees and bumps for my skiiing.

 

Cheers!

W

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Great quickies.  Thanks for the effort!

 

Also, I hate you at least a little bit for the powder day.  I haven't felt anything but hardpack and corn in weeks.

 

Me too!

we deserved a pow day!

 

Cheers,

w

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Originally Posted by Holiday View Post
 

yes, Motive is my most of the time ski, Ranger will be my pow and just after pow day ski.

 

I skied it quite a bit in the trees and bumps, but soft bumps, and they were great. Fun, playful, but solid on edge on the packed snow as well.

 

Of the big skis I tried and liked in these places, Monster was more solid and "linear", stockli was looser, Fischer was in the between, best in trees and bumps for my skiiing.

 

Cheers!

W

Funny cause I just bought a motive 95 and a ranger 106 from Dawg yesterday...:D I guess we have the same taste!

 

I had the possibility to try the motive 95 today at a very small hill and just fell in love with them right away! It was reassuring since I had bought my skis the day before...:rolleyes

Really nice carver even on our east coast icy hardpack and couldn't really try them in bumps and soft snow since there were none but I'm sure they will be very nice... 

Also tried the motive 86 but couldn't really test them nicely since they had a bad tune... I got on the 175 cm and it was better but to short for me...

I can't believe that they tune all their demo ski at 1° side edge, even their slalom and high end carver to demo in icy conditions!!! Couldn't make the 86 to carve like I felt it was asking to!!! By chance the 95 was out of the box and they didn't touch it yet! It is unbelievable to offer skis to demo with a tuning that is not half the tuning of the factory!!!

Anyway, Just love the motive serie cause  you get 2 skis when you buy one: the carving ones when they are put on edge, and the very easy smeary ones when you need to!

 

They didn't had the ranger 106 so I tried the 90 ( 2016 with the carbon tip) and the 96 from this year... There is a noticable difference between the 2015 and the 2016 that are lighter in swingweight... But I think I prefer the 2015 version for 2 reasons: the 22 meters radius vs the shorter radius of the 2016 and also, I think that I prefer the weight of the 2015 cause for me it offer the best ratio between nimbleness and stability at speed...Maybe it's because I'm 210 pounds?

 

I was afraid that with their flat tails, they would not be as smeary as I want them to be for tights trees but they really are so easy to smear...and at the same time, you get to keep the tail unlike other skis with rockered tails! Nice!

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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Funny cause I just bought a motive 95 and a ranger 106 from Dawg yesterday...:D I guess we have the same taste!

 

I had the possibility to try the motive 95 today at a very small hill and just fell in love with them right away! It was reassuring since I had bought my skis the day before...:rolleyes

Really nice carver even on our east coast icy hardpack and couldn't really try them in bumps and soft snow since there were none but I'm sure they will be very nice... 

Also tried the motive 86 but couldn't really test them nicely since they had a bad tune... I got on the 175 cm and it was better but to short for me...

I can't believe that they tune all their demo ski at 1° side edge, even their slalom and high end carver to demo in icy conditions!!! Couldn't make the 86 to carve like I felt it was asking to!!! By chance the 95 was out of the box and they didn't touch it yet! It is unbelievable to offer skis to demo with a tuning that is not half the tuning of the factory!!!

Anyway, Just love the motive serie cause  you get 2 skis when you buy one: the carving ones when they are put on edge, and the very easy smeary ones when you need to!

 

They didn't had the ranger 106 so I tried the 90 ( 2016 with the carbon tip) and the 96 from this year... There is a noticable difference between the 2015 and the 2016 that are lighter in swingweight... But I think I prefer the 2015 version for 2 reasons: the 22 meters radius vs the shorter radius of the 2016 and also, I think that I prefer the weight of the 2015 cause for me it offer the best ratio between nimbleness and stability at speed...Maybe it's because I'm 210 pounds?

 

I was afraid that with their flat tails, they would not be as smeary as I want them to be for tights trees but they really are so easy to smear...and at the same time, you get to keep the tail unlike other skis with rockered tails! Nice!

 

 

Nice!

congrats on buying the sweet skis!

 

more Fischer love.

motive 95 is becoming my all time favorite ski the more time i spend on it, and the 108 is the only 100plus ski I plan to keep, I usually put a for sale sign on the wide ones very quickly....

 

Cheers!

 

Holiday

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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Funny cause I just bought a motive 95 and a ranger 106 from Dawg yesterday...:D I guess we have the same taste!

 

I had the possibility to try the motive 95 today at a very small hill and just fell in love with them right away! It was reassuring since I had bought my skis the day before...:rolleyes

Really nice carver even on our east coast icy hardpack and couldn't really try them in bumps and soft snow since there were none but I'm sure they will be very nice... 

Also tried the motive 86 but couldn't really test them nicely since they had a bad tune... I got on the 175 cm and it was better but to short for me...

I can't believe that they tune all their demo ski at 1° side edge, even their slalom and high end carver to demo in icy conditions!!! Couldn't make the 86 to carve like I felt it was asking to!!! By chance the 95 was out of the box and they didn't touch it yet! It is unbelievable to offer skis to demo with a tuning that is not half the tuning of the factory!!!

Anyway, Just love the motive serie cause  you get 2 skis when you buy one: the carving ones when they are put on edge, and the very easy smeary ones when you need to!

 

They didn't had the ranger 106 so I tried the 90 ( 2016 with the carbon tip) and the 96 from this year... There is a noticable difference between the 2015 and the 2016 that are lighter in swingweight... But I think I prefer the 2015 version for 2 reasons: the 22 meters radius vs the shorter radius of the 2016 and also, I think that I prefer the weight of the 2015 cause for me it offer the best ratio between nimbleness and stability at speed...Maybe it's because I'm 210 pounds?

 

I was afraid that with their flat tails, they would not be as smeary as I want them to be for tights trees but they really are so easy to smear...and at the same time, you get to keep the tail unlike other skis with rockered tails! Nice!

 

That's a good description.

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