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Hart Javelin, 210 cm, Slalom, pre-1970, mint condition...undrilled

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A neighbor of ours in Utah had these in her basement. She was in her eighties and informed me that her son was going to use them when he was a ski instructor at Snow Basin, but he never got around to having them mounted. I recognized them as important skies right away, and I told her the story of the skies and the pivotal role they had in race history. Not to be bothered, she insisted I take them...she wanted to clear out the basement. So, I have a mint pair of undrilled, pre-1970, 210 cm, Hart Javelin Slalom skies. They are the ones with the very simple graphics -a single dark stripe running from tip to tail- and that baby blue P-Tex base. I have no intention of selling them, rather I'd be looking for a home for them in, say, a museum or in the home of someone who actually raced on them, like Billy Kidd.              So, my question is two-fold: How valuable are these, and who would be interested in them?    I am in the late stages of a terminal illness, and I want some of my possessions to go to homes where they will be valued and shown.

post #2 of 19

@royal, can you take the point on this one? What with you being in Utah and all. Thumbs Up

post #3 of 19


will do, see discussion in MRM thread

post #4 of 19

Peter, these are indeed a very special ski and worthy of collecting and in my book worthy of being skied.  the only problem is that there is a very limited number of people who would be interested them.  I don't feel comfortable putting a value on them, as I also have an interest in them. and that would be a conflict of interest.  I can promise you that If I Had them I would mount some period LOOK bindings on them and let them fill the full measure of their creation by skiing them.  I believe there is a group of folks here(on this forum) who would be interested in a acquiring these skis in for a donation/fundraiser and then have a small lottery to auction them off.  this would ensure that they go to a good home and that you would get a worthwhile sum for them.  you would not have to do anything except maybe share some of you skiing memories with us.

 

If you would like to call me and discuss,  I will send you my number in a private message.

 

Royal Rose

post #5 of 19

Depending on Price I would interested in them

post #6 of 19

@Peter Hayes , There are a few people on this site that are extremely grateful for the offer you have made. :)

 

You may be interested in this video advertisement featuring this very ski:

 

 

I found and joined this site based on a search I made for hart javelin from my experience with the promotional films by hart that I saw as a kid.

post #7 of 19

Peter, everybody above would be a worthy recipient for those Javelins.  I don't think they are worth a whole lot of money cost wise, but the folks above are true vintage ski officianados that would make great caretakers for them in their winter of life so to speak.  There are people on this forum that have worked for hart.  They can probably give you an idea of how many may still be around, even undrilled.  Rare, yes, but not one of a kind most likely.

post #8 of 19
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Thanks Rossi Smash...I did get hold of Royal, and he is a serious practitioner of The Old School! He fixes up 1960's & 50's gear, dresses period and takes his long guns out to Alta to turn like it's 60 years ago...what a show stopper, right?!    Thanks for the re-direct, Royal is a cool Utah connection.

post #9 of 19
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Thanks crgildart, and I have found that indeed there are undrilled pairs out there, but they are rare. I will not be looking to sell these anyway, for my intent is to give them to a close friend of mine who is the Head Coach of a top end ski academy here in Utah. And I think he will be quite pleased.   Thanks for your help here, now get out there and make some turns, right?!

post #10 of 19
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WOW Mastersracer!!! This is a terrific little clip, and you see that Hart Javelin on most of the athletes!  Thanks for getting into the search with me, I appreciate the enthusiasm I'm receiving for my quest, and it has become quite clear that these were very important skis back in the late 1960's when Hot Dog skiing was in its infancy.      Thanks a million!

post #11 of 19

Sounds like a good home for them.  There are people on this board that raced on college ski teams on Utah and did well.  Most are coaching now.

post #12 of 19
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Greetings Atomicman,    Thanks for responding to my question. I will not be selling these, rather I was interested in finding out their value in both a monetary and historical way. I have had all these questions answered by the terrific group of people who inhabit this social connection. I'm gifting them to the Head Coach of a local ski academy, and now I have more information to attach to them, which will be cool.  Thanks again, and if I were going to sell them, you'd get them because you were the first to make an offer.      Now...get on those skis and make some turns, right?!     Thanks again,  Peter

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Peter Hayes View Post
 

Greetings Atomicman,    Thanks for responding to my question. I will not be selling these, rather I was interested in finding out their value in both a monetary and historical way. I have had all these questions answered by the terrific group of people who inhabit this social connection. I'm gifting them to the Head Coach of a local ski academy, and now I have more information to attach to them, which will be cool.  Thanks again, and if I were going to sell them, you'd get them because you were the first to make an offer.      Now...get on those skis and make some turns, right?!     Thanks again,  Peter

I skied 210 Javelin GS' in High School! about 1968-70

 

But would be perfectly happy with a pair of 210 SL's in the quiver!

 

Thanks for response and cool you're giving 'em to the coach!Thumbs Up

post #14 of 19

So, everybody .......................What is a pair of 200 cm. Javelins worth  drilled out once with newer marker bindings worth ?

 

-Polski-

post #15 of 19
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So, everybody .......................What is a pair of 200 cm. Javelins worth  drilled out once with newer marker bindings worth ?

 

-Polski-

Depends on your location,  figure $50 minimum to ship.   and the individual buyer.I like the vintgae stuff but will only pay very low prices for skis.  but there are some who will pay up for the right ski in good condition. (and mark down 50% for the marker bindings):)

 

good luck.

post #16 of 19

If you check my previous rants of the skis I have in my quiver, I`m sure you`ll see a couple pair of Hart Javelins.

 

The intesting thing is, growing up in Minnesota where Hart were made.   We could go over to the factory (on Butler Ave in St. Paul)  and have the skis restored for about $50.00 per side.

I ski the Javelins from time to time and most people really like the looks of these babies and  I always get a smile or a nod.

 

 BUT , they ski like logs !

 

I started skiing Harts in 1959. Standards cost $118.00  , then I  went to their white Galaxie II, then to the Javelins . all were enjoyable because metal skis were just coming on fast.

 

The top brands in my area were Head , Hart and a distant third .....Mercury.

 

Head and Hart were black in color with usually a Cable lift binding or Cubco`s .

 

Mercury skis were a bad color brown . but they sold for under a hundred bucks

 (which made a difference in those days ! ).

 

I`ve heard the saying  a pair of well worn Head or Hart standards will make a excellent powder ski back in the day .

 

Let me personally say this ,

B as in B .....S as in S .....

As a former employee of Goldminers Daughter at Alta, Utah  you wanted the Miller Softs to ski on  (which were made just outside Provo , Utah ) .

 

Let me close in saying this ......

 

I was a ok skiier in my youth. My roommate at the Goldminers in the early 70`s was a guy named Steve Mayerson from Canada.... He was a rated hot dogger. I think in his prime he was rated 5th in the world. Got free skis from Fischer all the time . Hell , he could race on barrel staves and do well.

 

One of his favorite saying was  " Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools "

 

I guess no matter what your skiing on , you have to feel good upstairs in the noodle to be your best ............Me  ?

 

I`m sticking to my 102`s and my ST650`s

 

Have a good run , see you at the bottom.

 

-POLSKI-

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by a68cord View Post
 

If you check my previous rants of the skis I have in my quiver, I`m sure you`ll see a couple pair of Hart Javelins.

 

The intesting thing is, growing up in Minnesota where Hart were made.   We could go over to the factory (on Butler Ave in St. Paul)  and have the skis restored for about $50.00 per side.

I ski the Javelins from time to time and most people really like the looks of these babies and  I always get a smile or a nod.

 

 BUT , they ski like logs !

 

I started skiing Harts in 1959. Standards cost $118.00  , then I  went to their white Galaxie II, then to the Javelins . all were enjoyable because metal skis were just coming on fast.

 

The top brands in my area were Head , Hart and a distant third .....Mercury.

 

Head and Hart were black in color with usually a Cable lift binding or Cubco`s .

 

Mercury skis were a bad color brown . but they sold for under a hundred bucks

 (which made a difference in those days ! ).

 

I`ve heard the saying  a pair of well worn Head or Hart standards will make a excellent powder ski back in the day .

 

Let me personally say this ,

B as in B .....S as in S .....

As a former employee of Goldminers Daughter at Alta, Utah  you wanted the Miller Softs to ski on  (which were made just outside Provo , Utah ) .

 

Let me close in saying this ......

 

I was a ok skiier in my youth. My roommate at the Goldminers in the early 70`s was a guy named Steve Mayerson from Canada.... He was a rated hot dogger. I think in his prime he was rated 5th in the world. Got free skis from Fischer all the time . Hell , he could race on barrel staves and do well.

 

One of his favorite saying was  " Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools "

 

I guess no matter what your skiing on , you have to feel good upstairs in the noodle to be your best ............Me  ?

 

I`m sticking to my 102`s and my ST650`s

 

Have a good run , see you at the bottom.

 

-POLSKI-


thanks for sharing these memories.  and I ate lunch at the GMD today.  Beautiful weather, mid 40's just like skiing in late march but with less snow:( 

post #18 of 19

Peter,

 

I can't read all the replies, but I'll buy them for $50.  And for anyone else, I'm looking for Olin Mark II VCE, Harrt Javelin XXL, Hart Comp ( Billy Kidd era), Fischer Superglass, and other 70's vintage high performance skis.

 

Jeff

 

Jeff

post #19 of 19

I too am looking for a pair of Hart Javelins ...

 

But the new ones (shaped ski)......

 

I am thinking  a 165 or 170 cm.

 

I am offering up a Mint pair of VR17`s (203cm) 

 

Check my pictures in previous threads to see if their might be something of greater interest .

 

Greg Polski

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