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This is still the category that most manufacturers are striving to be the leader in and almost all have one that is best at something. Now what is that something you are looking for? Power? Finesse? Off piste? Big frontside charger? Your ski is here. 

 

Atomic Vantage 100 180cm (New):

Review upcoming from Mammoth.

 

Blizzard Bonafide 180cm (revised):

This is the ski that I started the show with. Why, because I always start a demo with a reference ski to test the conditions. I have as much time on a Bonafide in the past 4 years as almost all other skis combined so I using this as my benchmark works well. Now, new for 2016, Blizzard added carbon to the tip and the tail which not only reduces swing weight at the extremities which many manufacturers have done this year and yes that does help that aspect but adding the carbon smooths out the Bonafide at speed and dampens the tip and tail which quiets the ski increasing the top end. The difference is subtle but there is a nice evolution to a ski and Blizzard did a good job here keeping the nest attributes of the Bonafide yet evolving it. Bonafide is on the power end of the scale.

 

Fischer Ranger 98 180cm (all new):

This was another surprise of the testing for me. Light, nimble and playful without being nervous skitty or chattery. The gradual tip design that Fischer incorporates in there design makes the initiation so easy yet there vast experience with working with lightweight materials like carbon allow them to just make so much out of so little (weight). With a new leader at Fischer, Willy Booker, I expect a lot more good things coming from them. A long term test will be upcoming.  Powerful finesse skiers will rejoice

 

Head Monster 98 177cm(all new):

No more Rev85, 90, 98 and 108. Don’t bother shedding a tear, don't bother looking back, just be happy that Head got back to their roots and made an honest to goodness Monster series. The Monster 98 is the ski most skis can only dream of being. It moves to the front of the pack in being the ever so slight frontside biased big mountain ski. Power ski for sure.

 

Nordica Enforcer 177cm (all new):

Like the Bonafide, I have had a few days on the new Enforcer and even being a newbie, the Enforcer has moved to the front of the 100m line. Yes, the Enforcer name was resurrected but unlike some manufacturers, Nordica doesn't go into the closet and bring out names just for the sake of bringing a name back, the ski has to be worthy and this new Enforcer is damn worthy. I have already written a few words on this ski so just go read my review HERE and check out @FairToMiddlin’s, @Drahtguy review of the Enforcer along with @Trekchicks, @segbrown’s review of  the women’s Santa Ana. Power…Finesse…Ease…making this a Magic Bullet? I will not confirm nor deny. 

 

Scott The Ski Sagebrush 178cm (all new):

I will start by saying that i am biased to anything that is associated with The Ski. Now if you have skied and of the other Sun Valley Collection skis, you know even though I I am biased, they are great skis. So with my disclaimer out of the way…Bobbie Burns knows how to design a ski, even though he isn’t pressing them himself, he skis knows what makes a ski fun. The Sagebrush with it’s gradual early rise tip and 3D sidecut makes this ski rocket across the hill without being nervous doing it. Stay tuned for a long term test of these. Slight edger to the finesse side of the scale. 

 

2015 Carry over skis reviewed last season from THIS thread:

 

Kastle MX98 184cm

Big boy ski that actually skied easier than its' 184cm length and 27M sidecut would suggest yet it is a ski that goes to 11. Quite frankly, at $1349.00, it better be. For those who want the best and are willing to pay...get out your checkbook. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. 

 

Line Supernatural 100 179cm

Replaces the Prophet 98, the new SN100 is a much more balanced ski in flex and while it lost a bit of it's hard snow prowess, in soft snow, crud and bumps, it is much better. This is a very good evolution of this series. Edge to the power side

 

Nordica NRGy100 177cm-

This is a ski that was polarizing, I really like it but a few testers found it either vague or unresponsive. With the tip shape, the ski responds well to pressuring the front of the boot. Finesse and ease. 

 

Rossignol E100 180cm

All new. The new Experience 100 is better than the 98 is every manner (except name). The E100 is still the hard snow king of the 98-100mm range but with a slightly softer and more balanced flex along with a more gradual tip profile it has matured and is not as nervous getting it onto edge angle. Power like a GS ski

 

Volkl Mantra 177cm

All new for 2015. Check out my review HERE 

 

Check out my 2016 95mm thumbnails HERE.


Edited by Philpug - 2/8/15 at 3:53pm
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Thanks--really appreciated the reviews and the effort you and the others put in to keep us informed.  This is my favorite time of year on the forums as I always look forward to finding out about next year's goods and any distraction is appreciated as a distraction from the current weather forecasts. 

 

 

Couple of questions:

What would a happy Bonafide owner get in the Enforcer that might make him want to purchase it?

 

How does the Monster series compare in feel and stiffness to the older series (I have Monster im82s and 78s and would consider picking up a pair of 88s)?

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Thanks--really appreciated the reviews and the effort you and the others put in to keep us informed.  This is my favorite time of year on the forums as I always look forward to finding out about next year's goods and any distraction is appreciated as a distraction from the current weather forecasts. 

 

 

Couple of questions:

A)What would a happy Bonafide owner get in the Enforcer that might make him want to purchase it?

 

B)How does the Monster series compare in feel and stiffness to the older series (I have Monster im82s and 78s and would consider picking up a pair of 88s)?

 

A) If you are happy with the Bonafide, why would you change? Having skied both skis back to back, the Bonafide is still more of a charger with less rise in the tip and tail with a 20M TR on the 180cm and the Enforcer is a bit softer with more rise especially in the fore body of the ski and with a 16.5M TR on the 177cm a more playful ski but still with 2 sheets of metal allowing it to still ski hard. I have always felt solid on the 180 Bone and never questioned the need for the 187 but I would like to try the 185 Enforcer.

 

B) It has been years since I have been on the old Monsters but the new ones still have that smoothness that I expected from Head. The Monsters are on the stiff side but not disproportionately or uncompromisingly stiff and will reward a good technical skier but not embarrass one that does not always have their A-game. I did also ski the Monster 88 and that also skied like I expected.

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Thanks for the previews. I do sort of shed a tear for the Rev series; they were good skis esp the 80,85, and 105. The progressive shovel and short radius were good characteristics I thought. Question, do you know the TR of the new Monsters? Were they on the short end or long end? And, without derailing into the merits of "graphene" did the skis feel lighter as per the claim? Two sheets of metal, beefy construction, how light could they get them really?

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How does Head's Monster 98 compares with Head's Rev 98?  I have Head's Rev 98 (177cm) and it fits the description of the Monster 98 in Phil's post above.  It's possible that Head simply changed only the graphics of the Rev 98 to create the Monster 98.  The Rev 98 is a fantastic ski - it's powerful and super versatile off-piste - that has been flying under the radar.  I demoed about 16 to 18 skis with waist widths of 95 - 108 for about 3 years before selecting the Rev 98.

 

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Head Monster 98 177cm(all new):

No more Rev85, 90, 98 and 108. Don’t bother shedding a tear, don't bother looking back, just be happy that Head got back to their roots and made an honest to goodness Monster series. The Monster 98 is the ski most skis can only dream of being. It moves to the front of the pack in being the ever so slight frontside biased big mountain ski. Power ski for sure.

 

 

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How does Head's Monster 98 compares with Head's Rev 98?  I have Head's Rev 98 (177cm) and it fits the description of the Monster 98 in Phil's post above.  It's possible that Head simply changed only the graphics of the Rev 98 to create the Monster 98.  The Rev 98 is a fantastic ski - it's powerful and super versatile off-piste - that has been flying under the radar.  I demoed about 16 to 18 skis with waist widths of 95 - 108 for about 3 years before selecting the Rev 98.

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Head Monster 98 177cm(all new):

No more Rev85, 90, 98 and 108. Don’t bother shedding a tear, don't bother looking back, just be happy that Head got back to their roots and made an honest to goodness Monster series. The Monster 98 is the ski most skis can only dream of being. It moves to the front of the pack in being the ever so slight frontside biased big mountain ski. Power ski for sure.

 

 

The Monster 98 is just not a Rev 98 with N.G.T.. Yes, what i said could be said to describe the outgoing Rev98 but it doesn't have the refinement and smoothness that is in this ski.  The Rev98 is indeed a nice ski but this is exceptional. The Monster 98 is a great alternative for someone that wants the smoothness and power of a Kastle MX98 for half the price. 

 

Lemon Zest asked about the weight, Head said these skis are considerably lighter than the outgoing models but honestly, I didn't feel it by either lifting the ski or on snow. 

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Phil,

Can you contrast the monster 88 vs 98? I'm looking at replacing my hell and back everyday ski. Now that I have a supernatural 108 for crud broken powder, I don't see much use in the 98s. If we're between storms, I might as we'll ave somethingt thats tenacious on the firm stuff. Tried the mx88 and loved it but damn expensive and I don't always hop every rock. Had the monster 88 bavk int he day and loved it. I'm a much better skier technically then back then and don't seem to mind a stiffer ski in the bumps because I'm more active with my legs. Any thoughts?
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The Monster 98 is just not a Rev 98 with N.G.T.. Yes, what i said could be said to describe the outgoing Rev98 but it doesn't have the refinement and smoothness that is in this ski.  The Rev98 is indeed a nice ski but this is exceptional. The Monster 98 is a great alternative for someone that wants the smoothness and power of a Kastle MX98 for half the price.

 

Lemon Zest asked about the weight, Head said these skis are considerably lighter than the outgoing models but honestly, I didn't feel it by either lifting the ski or on snow.

 

Thanks, Phil, for the reply.

 

Hard to believe that Head could make a significant improvement over the Rev 98 in just 2 years, but it sounds like they have.  The Monster 98 will be at the top of my list in a few years when it is time to replace my Rev 98s.

 

Looks like Head could have a real hit with the new Monster series.  They really have it going with their entire product line (Joy series, Flight series, Supershapes, etc., all good skis.).  Other Head skis I've been on recently (Rev 105, Collective 105, & Venturi 95) were also pretty good.

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Phil,

Can you contrast the monster 88 vs 98? I'm looking at replacing my hell and back everyday ski. Now that I have a supernatural 108 for crud broken powder, I don't see much use in the 98s. If we're between storms, I might as we'll ave somethingt thats tenacious on the firm stuff. Tried the mx88 and loved it but damn expensive and I don't always hop every rock. Had the monster 88 bavk int he day and loved it. I'm a much better skier technically then back then and don't seem to mind a stiffer ski in the bumps because I'm more active with my legs. Any thoughts?

If you are complementing the SN108, the Monster 88 is the logical choice. I didn't ski the 88 and 98 back to back but there were similarities in the on snow feel for sure. Seeing how ski segments have evolved and where width ranges are expected to have certain characteristics, the Monster could be the reference ski in the 88 segment. 

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^^^ I agree with Phil. I enjoyed my time on the Monster 88 at SIA (I didn't get on the 98, but not for lack of effort). The 88 had a super solid feel that reminded me quite a bit of the MX88. Great edge grip and confident, inspiring ski on groomers -- no matter the condition. I found the 88 workable in the bumps and trees when pushed aggressively.
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Any thoughts on how Nordica intends on having the Enforcer and NRGY 100  co-exist in essentially the same category?  Very unusual, seems they're poaching their own lineup.  Or are they targeting the E to the "athletic/power" customer and the N to the "casual/finesse" customer in order to cast a wider net out there?

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Any thoughts on how Nordica intends on having the Enforcer and NRGY 100  co-exist in essentially the same category?  Very unusual, seems they're poaching their own lineup.  Or are they targeting the E to the "athletic/power" customer and the N to the "casual/finesse" customer in order to cast a wider net out there?

 

Lots of thoughts on this. These are indeed two different skis and they are both winners and neither is a bad choice but which is the right choice? I think your comments are pretty much spot on on how they are going to try to market these two skis. The question comes up though is how a retailer is going to market them on the ski wall, will...can...they stock both? With a finite amount of slots available, can a NRGy100 and Enforcer coexist on the same ski wall? In some shops, yes, in most shops, no, they will choose one or the other. The NRGy100 which has been successful in it's first year and is a carry over model completely unchanged including graphics or the new model that has gotten a jump out of the blocks from Nordica with a big early introduction and on ski walls now. 

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Thanks, Phil, for the reply.

 

Hard to believe that Head could make a significant improvement over the Rev 98 in just 2 years, but it sounds like they have.  The Monster 98 will be at the top of my list in a few years when it is time to replace my Rev 98s.

 

Looks like Head could have a real hit with the new Monster series.  They really have it going with their entire product line (Joy series, Flight series, Supershapes, etc., all good skis.).  Other Head skis I've been on recently (Rev 105, Collective 105, & Venturi 95) were also pretty good.

You might not like the new Monster series, it's a complete 180* from the Rev / Flight generation of skis. A return to the brawny Austrian ski and a step away from all-inclusive ease of use ski. It's not going to be for everyone, but if you missed the old Monsters and like beefy, smooth, damp and heavy... they will light your fire.

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Lots of thoughts on this. These are indeed two different skis and they are both winners and neither is a bad choice but which is the right choice? I think your comments are pretty much spot on on how they are going to try to market these two skis. The question comes up though is how a retailer is going to market them on the ski wall, will...can...they stock both? With a finite amount of slots available, can a NRGy100 and Enforcer coexist on the same ski wall? In some shops, yes, in most shops, no, they will choose one or the other. The NRGy100 which has been successful in it's first year and is a carry over model completely unchanged including graphics or the new model that has gotten a jump out of the blocks from Nordica with a big early introduction and on ski walls now. 


I know I dont post on here tons, but In my shop we will be carrying both models.  I have been skiing the enforcer for awhile.  I think it is a much more playful ski than the Nrgy 100, even though the construction may not lead one to believe this.  For me I think I will sell more Nrgy 100's to the customer who maybe the more traditional skier or who I sense may spend more time cruising the groomed runs but still wants the 100 underfoot all mountain ski.  I personally like the enforcer better in the trees, crud and junk, I hopped on the enforcer and loved it from day 1 ( probably not a surprise because I felt the same about the Patron), Something about that tip just pulls me confidently into the start of the turn on any condition.  I do not sell tons of dedicated twin tips so my hardest decision is not the enforcer vs. Nrgy 100, its the Soul Rider ,which I love, vs. the enforcer.  I know they are really different but I feel the enforcer has the playfulness of the Soul Rider but much better hard snow groomed performance. Other skis I really like for the record are the Salomon q-lab, which seems to get no play here.I dont sell it but really like the Armada ARV TI ( which Ironicallycomes out of the blizzard/nordica factory).  Just my 2 cents worth.  I was hoping to love the head 88 and 98. I liked the Monster 88, I actually thought the 98 was more ski than I wanted to push around all day! If anyone is interested Im going to have a couple of Monster 88 all black graphics skis for sale soon!

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Are the 185 enforcers around? ive only seen reviews on the 177.
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I have the 185 and 177.  Ill ski both.  I am a big guy and if I could own one it would be the 185.  Still quick turning, but I can let it run a bit more.

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Anybody know what the lengths will be on the Monster 88 ?

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Are the 185 enforcers around? ive only seen reviews on the 177.

I was on the Enforcer 185 at SIA. Helluva nice ski.

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Anybody know what the lengths will be on the Monster 88 ?

I skied the Monster 88 in 184. I think next size down is 177. The 88 would make a great rippin' ski for you in Minnesota and do a fabulous job covering your ass on trips out West.
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Are the 185 enforcers around? ive only seen reviews on the 177.

I've skied the 185 and the 193. I have a strong suspicion that the 185 had a different tune from the 193, the 193 felt like it had less base bevel. That would explain why it felt so much beefier to me... or maybe it is just beefier. Anyway, seriously fun ski in both lengths, I'd look at the 185 for myself for the east coast. 

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I skied the Monster 88 in 184. I think next size down is 177. The 88 would make a great rippin' ski for you in Minnesota and do a fabulous job covering your ass on trips out West.


Excellent, 184 indeed at my size.


Edited by gregmerz - 2/12/15 at 12:59pm
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I've skied the 185 and the 193. I have a strong suspicion that the 185 had a different tune from the 193, the 193 felt like it had less base bevel. That would explain why it felt so much beefier to me... or maybe it is just beefier. Anyway, seriously fun ski in both lengths, I'd look at the 185 for myself for the east coast. 


Rep is telling me base bevel needs to be checked for first 12 inches of ski. Coming flat then turns into 1 degree.

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You might not like the new Monster series, it's a complete 180* from the Rev / Flight generation of skis. A return to the brawny Austrian ski and a step away from all-inclusive ease of use ski. It's not going to be for everyone, but if you missed the old Monsters and like beefy, smooth, damp and heavy... they will light your fire.

 

Whiteroom - thanks for the thoughts.  Yes, I have a pair of the old Monster 88s and enjoyed them (they're pretty noodly now....).

 

I demoed about 17 or 18 different skis before settling on the Rev 98s and will demo a few before replacing them.

 

Regarding how stiff the new Monsters are: it would be hard to imagine the new Monster 98 being any stiffer than the Rev 98s, which are pretty substantial.  The Rev 98s are a bit stiffer than what I would like for my size and the speeds I ski at.  However, they're great for the chopped up refrozen crud we get in the PNW, and I won't buy a 98/100 that can't handle our crud.

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If you are complementing the SN108, the Monster 88 is the logical choice. I didn't ski the 88 and 98 back to back but there were similarities in the on snow feel for sure. Seeing how ski segments have evolved and where width ranges are expected to have certain characteristics, the Monster could be the reference ski in the 88 segment. 

Phil,

 

I skied the SR88 in a 177cm and brahma in 180cm and loved them. replacing a hell and back at 186cm. liking my hard snow ski a bit shorter these days and these skis can rip at this length. what length monster 88 would you say, ski long or short? so many good skis in this class, hard to choose between these 3.

 

thanks,

andrew

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

If you are complementing the SN108, the Monster 88 is the logical choice. I didn't ski the 88 and 98 back to back but there were similarities in the on snow feel for sure. Seeing how ski segments have evolved and where width ranges are expected to have certain characteristics, the Monster could be the reference ski in the 88 segment. 

Phil,

 

I skied the SR88 in a 177cm and brahma in 180cm and loved them. replacing a hell and back at 186cm. liking my hard snow ski a bit shorter these days and these skis can rip at this length. what length monster 88 would you say, ski long or short? so many good skis in this class, hard to choose between these 3.

 

thanks,

andrew

Ski the Monster in the 177 and you will be happy. 

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