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I am an advanced/expert skier who ski's mostly on the West coast - Tahoe (20+ days), trips to Whistler/Utah/CO. I am a lightweight smaller athletic guy - 5'5", 135. I am about 30% groomers, 70% trees/powder/off-piste...that is when snowfall allows :) 

I am currently skiing a Blizzard Bonafide (131/98/116) in a 173. Its a great ski on groomers/crud, but feels like its a little too stiff for my weight and seems just a bit long and not as poppy when trying to maneuver in tight spaces. I like the underfoot width of the Bonafide so looking in that same range. 

 

My wife is 5'5", 150 and skis on the same ski (Bonafide) in a 166 and LOVES it. She is an aggressive and strong skier. Unfortunately I would love to give her ski a shot but her bindings won't allow it due to mounting. 

 

Looking at any recommendations for stuff I should demo and sizes/ski's others are happy with. 

 

Thank you - Steve

post #2 of 29

Demo the Rossignol Soul 7 in 172. You probably gonna love it. The Sin 7 is the narrower version but its even softer IMHO. Might as well try them both! They are everywhere so you should have no problem finding them to demo.

 

I tried the Soul 7 in 180 but Im 6-2 185. Found it a bit too soft for me but super fun and maneuverable in the trees and bumps. Super easy to ski at least for me. I found it not so good at higher speeds for me at least. That was ok. I took it easy and spent most of my time on uncrowded blk/dblblk mogulled up runs which most people did not want to deal with. I am not a super aggressive skier so it was ok. Easy to turn ski in tight spots and WAY more grippy in steep slick runs that I though it was going to be. Overall the ski was a surprise. Kinda felt like a wider, less chattery on hard snow Armada TST. The Soul 7 tips are VERY chattery on harder snow on edge at medium to high speeds though. Ski likes to surf / slide but can hold an edge and turn as long as speeds are kept in check. Overall a fun ski.

post #3 of 29

Welcome to Epic.  If you can, I recommend you demo the ON3P Kartel 98, probably in a 176 because of the tip and tail rocker.  It has camber and will hold an edge.  The company is located in Portland so give them a call and ask where you can demo the ski.  I think you will be amazed.  I finally was able to demo ON3P at Copper Mountain and all of us that were there representing our little shop were pretty much blown away by their skis.  I demoed the Billy Goat and will be buying one for next season.  The other ski to try is the Nordica Soul Rider, 97 underfoot, probably 169.  This is a very fun ski.

post #4 of 29

Blizzard Samba or Kabookie. Since you like the Blizzard "feel". I believe they are the same dimensions as the Bonafide without the metal.  

post #5 of 29

Kastle FX 94 in 166 cm

post #6 of 29

I ski at 140lbs, 5-7.  Demo'd Bonafide and had similar experience as you, a bit to heavy duty for me.  If you like a what a metal laminate brings to the table without requiring a burly driver at the helm, look at the Line Prophet 98.  Very energetic ski and playful as well.  If you want to go without metal, the Nordical Hell and Back (98mm) will fit the bill.  Both these skis were discontinued last year so you can purchase at sweet deal.  Both offer lengths appropriate for your size as well. 

post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tahoesmall View Post

 
I am an advanced/expert skier who ski's mostly on the West coast - Tahoe (20+ days), trips to Whistler/Utah/CO. I am a lightweight smaller athletic guy - 5'5", 135. I am about 30% groomers, 70% trees/powder/off-piste...that is when snowfall allows smile.gif 
I am currently skiing a Blizzard Bonafide (131/98/116) in a 173. Its a great ski on groomers/crud, but feels like its a little too stiff for my weight and seems just a bit long and not as poppy when trying to maneuver in tight spaces. I like the underfoot width of the Bonafide so looking in that same range. 

My wife is 5'5", 150 and skis on the same ski (Bonafide) in a 166 and LOVES it. She is an aggressive and strong skier. Unfortunately I would love to give her ski a shot but her bindings won't allow it due to mounting. 

Looking at any recommendations for stuff I should demo and sizes/ski's others are happy with. 

Thank you - Steve
http://lineskis.com/skis/supernatural-100
If you can find last years prophet98 it would be worth a look, and cheaper.
post #8 of 29

Try the Fischer Motive 95ti in 174. It seems to have a wider performance range than the Bonafide, ie handles lighter skiers and slower skiing a bit better but still has the chops to perform at the high end. I also owned a 173 Bone, which I loved, but for me it was a little short whereas the 180 was too much. I skied the 174 and 180 Fischers back to back, and the 180 was perfect for me, 174 a bit short. I'm 5'9" 140.

post #9 of 29

I'm 15-20 lbs heavier than you and went through the same dilemma.  Many of the reviewers on this board are a solid 50+ lbs heavier than me and the difference in ski lengths doesn't make up for it.

 

I was at Big Sky last year looking for what you describe.  I demoed the Bonafides - I got why people like them, but at my weight felt they were more of a wide groomer ski.  A bit of a 2x4 in tight trees.  I actually thought the K2 Annex 98 was similar but better in all regards.

 

Wound up with the Salomon Q98.  The softer flex and some rocker means plenty of float in powder.  Very good in the wood; nice and poppy even at slow speeds.  Downside, of course, is they have a speed limit on firm groomers.  It's a quiver/travel ski for me and well worth the trade-off.  Also, there's a Bonafide w/out the full metal; can't remember the name (bushwacker is the 88 w/out metal).

post #10 of 29
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I'm 15-20 lbs heavier than you and went through the same dilemma.  Many of the reviewers on this board are a solid 50+ lbs heavier than me and the difference in ski lengths doesn't make up for it.

 

I was at Big Sky last year looking for what you describe.  I demoed the Bonafides - I got why people like them, but at my weight felt they were more of a wide groomer ski.  A bit of a 2x4 in tight trees.  I actually thought the K2 Annex 98 was similar but better in all regards.

 

Wound up with the Salomon Q98.  The softer flex and some rocker means plenty of float in powder.  Very good in the wood; nice and poppy even at slow speeds.  Downside, of course, is they have a speed limit on firm groomers.  It's a quiver/travel ski for me and well worth the trade-off.  Also, there's a Bonafide w/out the full metal; can't remember the name (bushwacker is the 88 w/out metal).

The Kabookie.

post #11 of 29

9 replies and 15 options offered, and not one twice. I am sure the OP is OFFICIALLY confused now. ;)

 

Tahoesmall if you want to get out and make some turns together, we might be able to narrow down some choices for you. Shoot me a message and we can set up some time and narrow the list down to 3-4 choices. 

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Actually all the suggestions were pretty good, though, I thought.
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9 replies and 15 options offered, and not one twice. I am sure the OP is OFFICIALLY confused now. ;)

 

Tahoesmall if you want to get out and make some turns together, we might be able to narrow down some choices for you. Shoot me a message and we can set up some time and narrow the list down to 3-4 choices. 

Just means there are a lot of options! :-)

post #14 of 29
Thread Starter 

Phil - 

Thanks!

Probably going to be up at Alpine tomorrow as kids have program. Depends on weather (not looking so great...bit wet) and kids being sick or not.  

Also may head up to Alpine on Tuesday...will keep you posted. Thank you for the offer.

 

Would really like some help as I finally have some boots that fit my smaller feet really well (Full-Tilts) and now need to narrow down the ski. Headed to Park City for President's week...not looking too great there right now either! Ugh. 

 

-Steve

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Actually all the suggestions were pretty good, though, I thought.

Yes, most were. But there is an assumption in many of the posts that just because a ski doesn't have metal it will be softer, not just lighter. The Hell N Back is a very burly ski, almost as stiff as the Bonafide but not nearly as soft (and versatile) as the metal laminate Enforcer is was based on. The Kabookie is just as stiff as the Bonafide and not what he is asking for either. 

post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tahoesmall View Post
 

Phil - 

Thanks!

Probably going to be up at Alpine tomorrow as kids have program. Depends on weather (not looking so great...bit wet) and kids being sick or not.  

Also may head up to Alpine on Tuesday...will keep you posted. Thank you for the offer.

 

Would really like some help as I finally have some boots that fit my smaller feet really well (Full-Tilts) and now need to narrow down the ski. Headed to Park City for President's week...not looking too great there right now either! Ugh. 

 

-Steve

I might be at Northstar tomorrow and am heading to Mammoth on Tuesday. Monday an option? If not, how is next weekend for you? 

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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

Actually all the suggestions were pretty good, though, I thought.

Yes, most were. But there is an assumption in many of the posts that just because a ski doesn't have metal it will be softer, not just lighter. The Hell N Back is a very burly ski, almost as stiff as the Bonafide but not nearly as soft (and versatile) as the metal laminate Enforcer is was based on. The Kabookie is just as stiff as the Bonafide and not what he is asking for either. 

 

Apparently I glossed over the Hell & Back reference because I am TOTALLY with you on that one, Phil. I did not like the tail on that puppy at all (except on groomers, which ... not why you buy a 98mm ski). 

 

<drift>So are you saying I would like the Enforcer?</drift>


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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

Actually all the suggestions were pretty good, though, I thought.

Yes, most were. But there is an assumption in many of the posts that just because a ski doesn't have metal it will be softer, not just lighter. The Hell N Back is a very burly ski, almost as stiff as the Bonafide but not nearly as soft (and versatile) as the metal laminate Enforcer is was based on. The Kabookie is just as stiff as the Bonafide and not what he is asking for either. 

 

Apparently I glossed over the Hell & Back reference because I am TOTALLY with you on that one, Phil. I did not like the tail on that puppy at all (except on groomers, which ... not why you by a 98mm ski). 

 

<drift>So are you saying I would like the Enforcer?</drift>

The new Enforcer has a much bigger performance range than many of the "big boys" out there. @Trekchick will have her Santa Ana 169cm (women's version) at Jackson, get on that and you will get an idea what the new Enforcer is all about. 

post #19 of 29
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Apparently I glossed over the Hell & Back reference because I am TOTALLY with you on that one, Phil. I did not like the tail on that puppy at all (except on groomers, which ... not why you by a 98mm ski). 

 

 

Perhaps mtcyclist will jump in here but I'll add that the Hell & Back accommodates light weight skiers nicely and offers a more lively ski, turny, and less damped alternative the OP seeks from his Bonafides.  Burly?  Not at all, it is lightly built but wired.  Its not a soft ski and agree qcanoe a bit more front sided than many other 98s. 

 

Agree with Philplug, try to get on some of these recommendations and find out which direction you want to go. 

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Well, I'll jump in but I have only skied the Hell and Back once.  I liked it because it was very similar to my Steadfast in terms of edge grip and liveliness, but for deeper snow I wanted something softer and with more rocker, so I bought the Atomic Ritual.

post #21 of 29
I'm your height but have 20lbs on you, my ski in this class is the Peophet 98 someone mentioned, current version the supernatural 100 is supposed to be a little more demanding compared to the P98 which is really easy to manage!

The Q98 also has a forgiving flex for a guy your size!
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Actually all the suggestions were pretty good, though, I thought.
Yes, most were. But there is an assumption in many of the posts that just because a ski doesn't have metal it will be softer, not just lighter. The Hell N Back is a very burly ski, almost as stiff as the Bonafide but not nearly as soft (and versatile) as the metal laminate Enforcer is was based on. The Kabookie is just as stiff as the Bonafide and not what he is asking for either. 

Apparently I glossed over the Hell
The new Enforcer has a much bigger performance range than many of the "big boys" out there. @Trekchick
 will have her Santa Ana 169cm (women's version) at Jackson, get on that and you will get an idea what the new Enforcer is all about. 

Would love to do that! Especially after seg piled on with the praise. So far the widest ski I've been in in two months is 44mm. frown.gif Hoping the doc this week will clear me for alpine speeds. smile.gif
post #23 of 29
Thread Starter 

Sorry Phil headed to Park City with the family on Sunday. There all of president's week. 

Will demo a few while I'm out there and get a feel.

If you could pull a few out of the ones mentioned to demo that would be a big help as quite a few different ones were mentioned.

Any demo location recommendations would be helpful as well. Been a few years since Ive been.

Thanks! 

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I'm your height but have 20lbs on you, my ski in this class is the Peophet 98 someone mentioned, current version the supernatural 100 is supposed to be a little more demanding compared to the P98 which is really easy to manage!

The Q98 also has a forgiving flex for a guy your size!
I like how Line pretty much puts the bare minimum metal skeleton in those skis. It makes them feel more like a wood core ski while still having the power and snap of a traditional metal ski. I think they made the prophet series easier to ski as time went on too though.
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I'm your height but have 20lbs on you, my ski in this class is the Peophet 98 someone mentioned, current version the supernatural 100 is supposed to be a little more demanding compared to the P98 which is really easy to manage!

The Q98 also has a forgiving flex for a guy your size!
I like how Line pretty much puts the bare minimum metal skeleton in those skis. It makes them feel more like a wood core ski while still having the power and snap of a traditional metal ski. I think they made the prophet series easier to ski as time went on too though.

 

It is the gumwall sidewalls that make the difference. Smooth, damp and controlled 

post #26 of 29
Yeah, stiff yet compliant.... Oops, wrong forum.
post #27 of 29
Thread Starter 

Just wanted to give an update...

Ended up going for the Line Supernatural 100 in a 172. REI had a screaming deal with their sale and then took them to local shop for bindings.

 

I've had 5 days (1 Tahoe/4 Utah) on them so far in varied conditions and couldn't be happier. Just enough flex to make the bumps fun again. More maneuverable in tight spaces/trees.  

Didn't see any real speed decreases on the groomers. Just made me more confident as I didn't have to power them as hard as the Bonifides. Much more responsive with less work. 

 

Thank you for all of the suggestions! 

post #28 of 29
Originally Posted by Tahoesmall View Post
 

Just wanted to give an update...

Ended up going for the Line Supernatural 100 in a 172. REI had a screaming deal with their sale and then took them to local shop for bindings.

 

I've had 5 days (1 Tahoe/4 Utah) on them so far in varied conditions and couldn't be happier. Just enough flex to make the bumps fun again. More maneuverable in tight spaces/trees.  

Didn't see any real speed decreases on the groomers. Just made me more confident as I didn't have to power them as hard as the Bonifides. Much more responsive with less work. 

 

Thank you for all of the suggestions! 

 

Congrats on the new skis.  The Line Supernatural has the viscoelastic material affixed along the sidewalls that PhilPlug talked highly about.  Let 'em ride!

post #29 of 29
Out of curiosity, by chance did you get an opportunity to demo the line sick day 95??

I wonder how the 2 skis compare to each other...
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