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Preview: 2016 K2 Pinnacle 95 and Pinnacle 105

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2016 K2 Pinnacle 95

 

2016 K2 Pinnacle 105

 

The conversation started HERE, What if anything is the story with K2? Well the question could not have been asked at a better time. K2 was in the process of reinventing itself and our thread did not go un noticed with powers to be at K2.  Early on in the thread I forwarded a link over to Tim Petrick and my connections over at K2 and they checked in from time to time to see what we were saying. I think what our members said was taken as well meaning constructive criticism. 

 

Fast forward to K2’s 2016 product introduction. K2 has more new skis in this years lineup than that have offered in recent memory. and over a decade. This is good, K2 has rested on their laurels of updating models over the years and this is something that Mr. Petrick had to step in and change. For the men, no more Rictors, we now have the IKonics. Again, not just a new name but new shapes and constructions. The Annix 98 and 108 were replaced by the Pinnacle 95 and 105. 

 

I will start this thread by reviewing the Pinnacle 95 and 105 which I spent a day on at Vail this past week right after the SIA trade show at Copper Mountain. While I did ski the two at Copper, spending a full day on them with K2’s Colorado Rep and old friend, Clem Smith and a third guy we will call “Billy”, a local shop guy. Conditions at Vail were great to test on, 7-10” of fresh over a good base so we were able to put the skis though their paces. I started the day on the Pinnacle 95 and Clem and Billy were on the 105’s, all were 184cm’s. We have three different skiers here, Billy was about 5’7”, 200lb plus and and built like a bull dog, and a smooth skier. Clem is 6’2” also 210lb plus and a big mountain charger with a race background and myself, 5’11” 190lb and more on the finesse side with a penchant for bumps, trees and that occasional perfectly manicured groomer. 

 

We worked out way up Vail from the gondola and went from groomers to cut up wind buff to bumps then finally ended up in the back bowls. Damn, I forgot how big Vail was. I was first on the Pinnacle 95 184, I had skied the 177 the day prior and while I enjoyed it, it left a bit lacking in tip pressure and initiation, ti was good night not great and I thought, Oh well another redesigned K2…next. The 184 was a different story, fun, playful and quite a but more power on the groomers and cut up snow with no loss of playfulness in the bumps. It was fun watching Clem on these skis after we switched. If you remember in Clem’s prior life, he was my Blizzard rep in Tahoe and his main ski then was a Cochise. Watching him rip around at much higher speeds than I was on the 95 showed me that this ski has a much broader power range than I initially felt, getting back to my comment in the earlier K2 thread where i said they were deceptively good. 

 

The Pinnacle 105. I will try to quote Billy and it’s not so much what he said about them, but how he said it. Billy could be supporting cast member from The Sopranos or any TV show or movie based in New Jersey where he hailed from, so picture a short Jersey guy with a heavy Jersey accent ski up to you with that heavy accent and a huge grin and just say, “This ski is stupid”. Now, he meant stupid good and not stupid bad (like I need to explain that, but I didn’t want any one to think that he was being degrading to the ski by saying it had a low IQ or any ting like dat). In the afternoon I also was on the 105 and I had to agree with him but I will use my own words. I found the Pinnacle to be one of the most playful of the One Oh Somethings I have skied not only this year but the past two years. In the snow that we had it was so easy to lay this ski over that after the first few hours I forgot that I was on a ski 105 underfoot, it was that nimble. Clem the Charger (now his Viking name) was tearing around in morning and was not held back by this ski that was fun for this finesse skier showing the broad range that this new Konic design from K2 is capable of. 

 

Again as I started saying these aren't just some warmed over graphics on some old ski constructions and molds, these are all new. The Konic construction and Channel Light Core is the story behind their new construction.   

From K2's press kit:

K2 Skis, purveyors of serious fun, expands the brand new K2 Konic and Channel Light Core technologies into the new men’s Pinnacle and women’s Luv freeride skis. By using the E3 (Energy Efficient Engineer- ing) design philosophy, K2 optimizes the materials used in the construction of its skis to create two new and distinct collections of hard-charging, soft snow focused planks.

Built upon the same K2 Konic technology found in the men’s All-Mountain collection, the new Pinnacle 95, 105 and 118 (Seth Morrison’s pro-model) make up this aggressive line of freeride machines. The stalwart of the line, the Pinnacle 95, takes advantage of a new Nanolite K2 Konic Core, a lightweight, low density, aerospace grade composite that runs through the center of the ski for added ease and reduced swing weight. The Nanolite core is reinforced with denser wood and powerful metal along the perimeter of the ski, so skiers can confidently handle all conditions and terrain. This combination is serious where you need it and fun where you want it, so skiers exert less energy driving their skis. The versatile All-Terrain Rocker profile works with the refined tip and tail taper to provide rock solid stability on firm snow and plenty of floatation in powder. The Pinnacle 95 is a jack-of-all-trades for the freerider who is in search of serious fun. 

)( = is as simple as it is, the conic in Konic. The Konic design is more prevalent under the foot and tapers to the end of the running surface's contact points. Does it work? Well, depends on what you feel “work” is. Does it make these skies fun and easy to ski? Hells yeah, if thats what you think “does it work" mean? Then yes, it works and these skis are stupid..stupid good. 

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Very hard for K2 to recover. They are the Blackberry of skiing. Copying what others are doing just won't cut it.
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And who are they copying? Have you seen the new skis? Have you skied on the new skis? From my perspective these are really first skis that are really attacking swingweight without sacrificing performance. I skied on both new Pinnacle skis at Copper and can assure you that Phil's review is spot on!
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Yes, I have seen them. Who are they copying? Well the reverse sidecut shape is a direct copy of the dps Spoon. The partial metal laminate is copied from the Elan Spectrum. The lightweight tip is copied from Rossi.

But it's all about personal preference. Otherwise we'd all be using the same boots, bindings and skis.
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Yes, I have seen them. Who are they copying? Well the reverse sidecut shape is a direct copy of the dps Spoon. The partial metal laminate is copied from the Elan Spectrum. The lightweight tip is copied from Rossi.

But it's all about personal preference. Otherwise we'd all be using the same boots, bindings and skis.

What do you mean "reverse sidecut"? The Pinnacles offer a traditional sidecut. As far as reverse sidecut skis, doesn't they all go back the the Volant Spatula? Partial metal laminate, this is also used by many manufactures. Lightweight tip? Could co back to the 70's with Kazama's 5 hole tip to reduce swing weight. In the modern world, Salomon was using air tips before Rossi let alone Kastle's Hallow Tech. 

 

Yes, there is a copying of technology and everyone has their own fancy name for similar technology or design but is still comes down to how they make it their own. These will ski like no other K2 you have skied before...the designers at K2 made sure of that.  

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What do you mean "reverse sidecut"? The Pinnacles offer a traditional sidecut. As far as reverse sidecut skis, doesn't they all go back the the Volant Spatula? Partial metal laminate, this is also used by many manufactures. Lightweight tip? Could co back to the 70's with Kazama's 5 hole tip to reduce swing weight. In the modern world, Salomon was using air tips before Rossi let alone Kastle's Hallow Tech. 

 

Yes, there is a copying of technology and everyone has their own fancy name for similar technology or design but is still comes down to how they make it their own. These will ski like no other K2 you have skied before...the designers at K2 made sure of that.  

 

 

Given who's at the helm, this wouldn't surprise me at all. I still wish they'd make them somewhere else, but that's another issue. Saw the green ski a month ago...looks like candy in a good way.  :)

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Does it really matter if K2 or any other company copied previous designs from another ski company? The goal is to make a ski that works and is fun to ski on and not cumbersome.....isn't it?

 

I'm over the stiff race ski type skis, I still have a penis that works, and I wanna keep it that way, so why not ski something fun...try the new K2 Pinnacle series and achieve new heights in all the right places.

 

:beercheer:

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I will have some Pinnacle 95's at the Jackson Hole Gathering if anyone wants to try them. 

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I skied the Pinnacle 95 yesterday in less than ideal conditions for them ... and had a blast. Me 5'9" 210ish, skied at Wachusett on a cold morning after a warm day. I found them smooth, quick and playful even on the fresh corduroy. Edge grip on the steep (for WA)  and icy was impressive. Would love to give it a shot in some softer snow. Moves towards the top of the list for future skis ...

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Anybody care to post a tip/tail rocker profile photo of these?

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So, Phil - the 105s vs the Nordica El Capo?
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Dad, unless you're a really big guy, a 'ludicrous speed' hard charger, or just can't say 'no' to some of the steep and cheap type close out deals, IMHO, more folks are going gravitate toward the Pinnacles...
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So, Phil - the 105s vs the Nordica El Capo?

 

 

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Dad, unless you're a really big guy, a 'ludicrous speed' hard charger, or just can't say 'no' to some of the steep and cheap type close out deals, IMHO, more folks are going gravitate toward the Pinnacles...

I think The Dad might enjoy with El Capo a bit more for the way he skis. But going back to the What's Going on with K2 thread...the Pinnacle is a better ski for more skiers than the El Capo with that said the Pinnacles are a new generation for K2 and it is the first time in a while where they are taking chances and not taking the easy with a warmed over design. 

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I think The Dad might enjoy with El Capo a bit more for the way he skis. But going back to the What's Going on with K2 thread...the Pinnacle is a better ski for more skiers than the El Capo with that said the Pinnacles are a new generation for K2 and it is the first time in a while where they are taking chances and not taking the easy with a warmed over design. 

 

Thanks, Phil.  I was asking because after demoing the El Capo at your suggestion when they first came out, I bought a pair on closeout this spring.  The El Capo is now my benchmark in this width.

 

That said, the Pinnacle is the first K2 ski narrower than the Pontoon or Hellbent that has piqued my interest in quite some time.

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Thanks, Phil.  I was asking because after demoing the El Capo at your suggestion when they first came out, I bought a pair on closeout this spring.  The El Capo is now my benchmark in this width.

 

That said, the Pinnacle is the first K2 ski narrower than the Pontoon or Hellbent that has piqued my interest in quite some time.

 

Did you try any of the new Monster series? ( I should keep quiet. Phil knows you're skiing, I don't. :) )

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Thanks, Phil.  I was asking because after demoing the El Capo at your suggestion when they first came out, I bought a pair on closeout this spring.  The El Capo is now my benchmark in this width.

 

That said, the Pinnacle is the first K2 ski narrower than the Pontoon or Hellbent that has piqued my interest in quite some time.

 

Did you try any of the new Monster series? ( I should keep quiet. Phil knows you're skiing, I don't. :) )

I am sure he paid less than $200 for the El Capo's and they are hard to beat at that price. 

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Phil knows both my skiing and my cheapskate proclivities far too well.  I fell in love with the El Capos my first day demoing the 185s, but couldn't justify adding another 105-10mm underfoot ski to my quiver.  When they dropped below $200, I bought the 185s.  I then almost bought 193s when STP had them for $110 or thereabouts.

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Don't get me wrong, I like the El Capo's myself. :)

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So Phil... Differences between 95 and 105?

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So Phil... Differences between 95 and 105?

Past the obvious "10" and one is orange and one is green (and both are expecting a little blue brother soon), I'd be happy to answer particular questions over on Pugski.com

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