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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

They are 2012-13 year model. I have 2011-12 FIS SL's and just sold non-FIS SL's. Not sure what the difference are between the two years to be honest.
 

 

I think you have that backwards.  You sold me a 12/13, the ones he posted are the 11/12s.

post #32 of 42
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Originally Posted by ayde View Post
 

Thanks. These are non FIS correct?

Your skis are non-FIS.  In other words they are cheater slalom skis, not stock race skis.

 

I have the same skis.

 

I agree I think they are 11/12s.


Edited by hirustler - 2/9/15 at 8:10am
post #33 of 42
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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post

Your skis are non-FIS.  In other words they are cheater slalom skis, not stock race skis.

I have the same skis.
Are you sure? Cheater/Worldcup Volkls had the same topsheets in those years. They don't put marker piston plate on recreational skis...those skis in the OP's are the most race-like skis Volkl makes available for the general public.
post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post


Are you sure? Cheater/Worldcup Volkls had the same topsheets in those years. They don't put marker piston plate on recreational skis...those skis in the OP's are the most race-like skis Volkl makes available for the general public.

Pretty sure.  There are tons of racers at my hill so I've seen many iterations of this ski.  I think the stock version says World Cup and has slightly different graphics.  The length can be a giveaway because stock SL skis only come in 165 but that doesn't help in your case.

 

I could be wrong.  A Volkl rep could answer the question.

 

 

Edit:  Your plates do look a little different from mine but the skis are definitely the same.


Edited by hirustler - 2/9/15 at 9:17am
post #35 of 42
Ok - my distinction is by visual cues and top sheet labels. The slantnose plastic caps and piston plates are not existent on the recreational SL's. Neither is "Worldcup" on the tail label of recreational SLs. More definitive clue is the metal sheets. The FIS version has an extra layer of metal just above the edge and top metal sheet is also thicker...will post some pics
post #36 of 42
Recreational SLs

No WC label in the tail


System bindings instead of piston plates


No extra metal layer.


No slanted plastic caps



W/C SLs




Pics in the OP
post #37 of 42
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post


That's an interesting theory about the flex pattern of race skis. Probably true considering the rockered or rocker/camber/rocker skis prevalent these days.

I consider open groomers the freeways of the mountains in your street analogy. Just whatever floats one's boat...


To test the, ah, theory, just go flex some race skis. The flex pattern predates rocker, has to do with the need to deeply flex a race ski on short notice but also resist deflection on rutty courses.

 

I guess my boat floats differently; "open" groomers usually have civilians who make unpredictable moves, just like real freeways. Speaking as someone who's driven some pretty quick cars on some pretty wide freeways…that's what race courses are for. 

post #38 of 42
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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post

Your skis are non-FIS.  In other words they are cheater slalom skis, not stock race skis.




Nope, they are the fis spec ski
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

Ok - my distinction is by visual cues and top sheet labels. The slantnose plastic caps and piston plates are not existent on the recreational SL's. Neither is "Worldcup" on the tail label of recreational SLs. More definitive clue is the metal sheets. The FIS version has an extra layer of metal just above the edge and top metal sheet is also thicker...will post some pics

This. The FIS spec ski has the piston plate. (Although in 11/12 and 12/13 they actually came flat but 90% were then mounted with the piston plate )The non- fis has a system binding as standard. The skis shown by the OP here are the Fis version.

Beyond makes excellent points on the flex. This is the key element I the ski. I will disagree with him on not being suitable for non- race use though. Personally I believe the non- fis version is about as useful as a chocolate fire- guard , biggrin.gif.

And as people are increasingly discovering ( see Ski mango jazz as the latest example) the Fis ski will not necessarily eat you alive......
post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post


Nope, they are the fis spec ski
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This. The FIS spec ski has the piston plate. (Although in 11/12 and 12/13 they actually came flat but 90% were then mounted with the piston plate )The non- fis has a system binding as standard. The skis shown by the OP here are the Fis version.

Beyond makes excellent points on the flex. This is the key element I the ski. I will disagree with him on not being suitable for non- race use though. Personally I believe the non- fis version is about as useful as a chocolate fire- guard , biggrin.gif.

And as people are increasingly discovering ( see Ski mango jazz as the latest example) the Fis ski will not necessarily eat you alive......


Any idea on what they're worth? Here's a shot of the edges. If I can get them for the right price and be able to sell them if I don't like them, I may do that.

 

post #40 of 42
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Originally Posted by ayde View Post
 


Any idea on what they're worth? Here's a shot of the edges. If I can get them for the right price and be able to sell them if I don't like them, I may do that.

 


Depends on if you're buying or selling..... :D 

 

Assuming they are in decent shape (and have not had 3 seasons use as trainers!) a good used 165 FIS slalom is normally going to be in the $200-$350+ range.  Key influencers are the amount of edge left (these look reasonable from your pic) , the usage,  the binding, the age and the brand.  

 

These look like they have the Marker 14 rather than the 16 or 20 which I would normally expect to see on these (and which are better bindings for race use) so I would mark down the value a bit for that.  Also Volkl is (IMHO!) in the second  quartile of slalom skis (I would put Atomic, rossi/dynastar and Blizzard/Nordica in the top quartile).   I don't want all the Volkl fans flaming me for this but the market tends to reflect this!

 

So from the pics only, they are probably in the $225 -$275 range.  The good news for you is that if by chance you don't like them, you will have no problem reselling and probably only end up out the shipping costs.   There is always a strong demand for good 165 slaloms.  I have a waiting list for the next ones I have for sale....;) 

 

Oh, and wrt the amount of edge left,  I have had some with VERY thin edges but never yet run out of edge before the ski has become too well used to be worthwhile


Edited by ScotsSkier - 2/10/15 at 10:42am
post #41 of 42
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Depends on if you're buying or selling..... :D 

 

So from the pics only, they are probably in the $225 -$275 range.  The good news for you is that if by chance you don't like them, you will have no problem reselling and probably only end up out the shipping costs.   There is always a strong demand for good 165 slaloms.  I have a waiting list for the next ones I have for sale....;) 

Thanks SS. I try not to make of habit of buying high and selling low.;) and then I'll have to earn my 3-green-thumb merit badge if they don't work out.

post #42 of 42
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

Volkl is (IMHO!) in the second  quartile of slalom skis (I would put Atomic, rossi/dynastar and Blizzard/Nordica in the top quartile).  

which puts Stockli, Head, Fischer as well as Volkls SLs in that "same" group.

 

I only have a few days on my Volkl FIS SL's, but I like them so far. I liked my old non-FIS Volkls too. 

Atomic SLs sure are on my list to try. What are your go-to SLs?  Would you care to share the differences among them?

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