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Skiing/skating in a gym

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
With all of the chairlift riding I've been getting lately, I've been thinking about those "fringe" exercises again. All of you trainers (please Topgun and friends), here goes:

Place 3 to 4 sliding/skating boards long side to long side. You now have a sliding path hopefully 6 - 8 feet wide(adjustable?) and 4 boards long.

Take a foam roller(cut it so it is half the "height") and tape it under the sole of the shoe. The "sliding sock" (some boards come with a silk sock to fit over your street shoes)will cover the foot and the roller. The idea of the roller is to get you to roll your ankle into the "new turn".

Now, start at one end, and edge your outside foot/ski and push off...going forward at an angle onto the second sliding board. Both feet should be together during the slide to the far end of the second board. Repeat from board to board...moving forward(ankle is flexed, but you are "falling foward" into your turn) The middle of the board should correspond with the midlle(fall line) of your turn.

When you get to the last board, practice no edges, and push from one side to the other, and do a spin 180!!!!

So, I'm I losing it, or is this possible? [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #2 of 12
Kee Tov,

I'm afraid you are having those strange summer thoughts in January. I don't start thinking about that sort of oddball stuff until June at the earliest.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
So Tanglefoot, your quote says "Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly."

I'lltalkfasternowjustforyou... I am still trying to get a dryland edging exercise that drives me forward and to the side using "big toe" pressure.

Now does it make sense? Or should I go to my Vermont background a n d t a l k r e a l s l o w .
post #4 of 12
Kee Tov, there is usually some sort of problem when you try to combine 2 sufaces. The slide socks will not fit over the shoe + roller. If you put 2 boards next to each other, there is going to be some kind of sticking point in the transition.
But i must say, I admire your mind!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #5 of 12
The other thing to keep in mind is that the reason it is RELATIVELY safe to do all these edging movements when skiing, is because we have the boots to support our ankles. Without them, what you are actually doing is unsupported supination and pronation. While a bit of that is okay {I used it in ski ready} the slide board is designed to be used on a flat foot.

I do an exercise standing with one foot on a half roller, the other foot lifted from the floor. Then, I tip the foot that's on the roller. Its hard!
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Sometimes visuals are needed, but I'll try without one.

Lisamarie-your one-footed tilt on the half roller is like ice skating with your ankle touching the ice(not that far over)?

If so, where is the ankle support you mentioned regarding my "fringe" exercise?

If the half roller was not 4inches high, but only half an inch... just enough to get a "tilt", would the silk sock fit over it? There is such a small tilt that ankle support might not be needed(?).

The "edge of one board to the next" gap can be overcome if that is where you have your inner foot steering towards your next turn in the air. Both feet will be placed on the board after the seam is past. I am aware there is a "step" when the new outside ski runs parallel with the inside ski after the "gap".

The idea behind this is to 1 - have an edge, 2 - extend the downhill leg foward(not sideways) into the turn, 3 - keep the ankle/knee/hip assembly close to skiing, 4 - committing to "big toe" and push.

Yeah, I know I am adding two items, the roller and the slide board, but I have to keep my mind spinning...it keeps me off of the streets. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #7 of 12
The sock is designed to mold to the shape of the shoe, so I'm not sure that adding another device to it would be a good idea. Also, the push off is designed to happen with a flat foot. On the exercise I described, the ankle is tipping, but you are not travelling across a surface, without support. Its not really the tipping that can be dangerous without the support, but its the edging and dragging on a surface that's supposed to be used flat footed.
Good try, though!
post #8 of 12
Just found this: http://www.performbetter.com/catalog...0&dept%5Fid=89

Probably still can't get the socks around them, but I bet you can think up some interesting stuff!
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Haven't used a slide board in several years, so I'm a little rusty. More thoughts... at the end of the board is the "stop". Isn't it ramp shaped? If it is, can't you slide up onto it(now your foot is on "edge"), and then push off! Yes, your foot will flatten as it travels, but the initial push is tilted.

I agree with you, if the foot isn't supported underneath, and "edged", the slide would be dangerous. I was hoping the shortened half roll would be secured to the foot. Guess it is too difficult.

Haven't seen in person the balance paws. Seems like fun. Works the ankles? Seems that it would not help with my "big toe" push issue because the heel is lower, and to push off, I would be plantar flexing.

Thanks for the "scratching heads".

[img]smile.gif[/img] : [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #10 of 12
EUREKA!! That may just work! This is the first I've seen of the Balance paws. After your post, I of course had to do some "research". BTW, the reason I know about the problems of combining surfaces, well don't think I haven't tried some insane things myself! But the ski team does put the Bosu Ball on a rebounder!
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
Here I go again, thinking too much. Had a few great days of skiing, reintroduced my wife to it after a 10 year absence, so I had time to think about what we were doing.

BTW, does sliding up on the end supports of the glide help with the lateral push off? (page 48 of PerformBetter's new catalog)

Check out this side jump box from Perfrom Better.

A few questions: 1 - what sport uses this movement? I'm looking at the eversion(?) of the ankle. Or does this compensate for those agility tests that have the ankle inverted? 2 - Can the lateral movement of the ankle be reduced (supported) using the side jump box?3 - can this be used for skiing?

Let's pretend that the box can be modified to have adjustable angles, so it can be "smoothed out"(smaller angle) and (I know LM, putting two items together might not work) place a flexible glide board on top(secured at both ends). This is now a "halfpipe" glide.

Start with a spotter helping to keep the CM in the middle. Extend the legs to the side, and flex/retract when travelling throught the middle. Of course, can also do the opposite for halfpipe training.

So...1 - Can the box be modified easily? 2 - Can a flexible glide be secured on top of the box? 3 - Will it reproduce the ankle/knee flexion/extension without extreme lateral movement of the ankle joint?

Well...am I still on the fringe?????? Am I crazy yet?????

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 27, 2002 06:31 AM: Message edited 2 times, by KeeTov ]</font>
post #12 of 12
Okay, here's the issue. One of the reason's the Slide pretty much "disappeared" from group exercise is that even on a flat surface, the boards could not be held on one postion. So trying to attach it to something that has a ramp angle could be pretty darn deadly! Although good in concept, you once again have ankle inversion/eversion + sliding, without the support of the ski boots and the centrifical force of the turn to support you.
On Thurs., I have a Functional Training seminar with Jim Giroux of Perform Better. I will ask him for some ideas!
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