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Goggles that are narrow between helmet and nose

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

I recently bought a Scott helmet and my old (!) Scott goggles were too tall from the nose to the top of the frame. Can you recommend any high-end goggle? In addition to short distance from nose to helmet, I want:

- Interchangeable glass with excellent flat light and sun glasses

- Great view to sides and downwards

- No fogging (I "workout" when I ski/snowboard, in addition to material technology, the air volume in the goggles may help)

 

I have tried several models, without finding THE perfect fit. Got a Smith I/O home yesterday to try more at home. It does tighten my nose, and has a poor view downwards. My old Scott goggles (not with that great optics) have a more teardrop shape, and gives me significantly better view of skis, when needed. And they do not squeeze my nose more than the I/O. I have not tried the I/O7. The Oakley Airbrake did not feel that terrible, although not perfect, and they gave an unusually strong pressure on my cheek. The Oakley Flighdeck looked huge, but did not feel that bad, although, worse than Airbrake. I must also admit that the I/O had a more clumsy lense change mechanism than the Airbrake.

 

Any input and experiences are welcome!

post #2 of 22

I always have a rise issue with googles - try on some Bolle styles, I've found some that fit me - now 3,4 seasons old...

I used, for many years, a popular style derived from the bouton google

http://s3.amazonaws.com/bureau-of-trade/p/2012/02/08/1950s-bouton-ski-goggles-640.jpg

was one of the few , back in the day, that gave a good un-distorted view and fit under the oldschool racing helmets for speed events.

note the short bridge to top - also flatter top of frame. Both UVEX and Carrera made similar styles for many years.

Haven't found one like it for quite some years - but similar in Bolle (available in my area...)

Many modern googles have a very rounded top frame, which doesn't work for me. It might work for someone with a tall forehead/tall skull, but they totally ignore that most helmets have a very flat not highly rounded forehead/brim edge.

Think you'll have to hunt around for what you need ...

post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

Cool, those looked almost like a diving mask :) (maybe I was fooled by the picture).

 

I have seen some POC goggles on display, but they did not seem to have interchangeable lenses.

post #4 of 22

I feel like the Flight Deck is about as large as you can get from helmet to nose. Certainly one of the largest that I've worn. Also, not a quick change lens. Try the anon M2. It's slightly narrower than the FD, has great peripheral vision, and by far the best lens change system on the market.

post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 

Anon M2 was tempting, reading some reviews, but I have not been able to find it in any shop, so that I can try it on.

 

My helmet is a Scott Tracker, recently got it at a good price (not used on any slopes, can return with full refund). I am wondering whether a Smith Vantage (or other helmet from another producer) will give more vertical space on my forehead for goggles.

post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 

Just wanted share my solution: I bought another helmet, the Smith Vantage (the other helmet, which will be returned unused, is a Scott Tracker). The Vantage helmet gave more vertical space on my forehead for goggles. After this change, I think I can make any goggle fit my face...

 

I kept my Smith I/O goggles, believing in the Smith optics quality. Although, I must admit that I was tempted to order a pair of Scott LCG, after seeing videos on how fast you can change lenses on those, and with their great view. I can always hope that the slower lens change on Smith I/O gives other benefits, like tighter fit between glass and frame.

post #7 of 22

I have the same issue, and found that the I/OS works well.  It's shorter than the I/O.  You might also try the Smith Phenom; I know it's taller than the I/OS, but it might be shorter than the I/O.

post #8 of 22

The Oakley flight decks are really great because they give you an insanely large field of view but the inside foam has a relatively medium face size and a very high nose.  In the picture you can see just how high the nose is on the inside of the lens.  In the picture it is the black bit that goes all the way up to the top of the strap behind the goggle, you have to see the picture to understand, link below

 

http://www.pretavoir.co.uk/media/catalog/rotating_images/oakley/Oakley-Goggles-Flight-Deck-OO7050-1975-Lime-Gunmetal/Oakley-Goggles-Flight-Deck-OO7050-1975-Lime-Gunmetal-ld-1.jpg

post #9 of 22

Heres a great pic of the inside of the flight deck, really shows what im talking about

 

http://www.bike-mailorder.de/out/pictures/master/product/3/flight-deck-winter-goggle-131197.jpg

post #10 of 22

I have owned the Smith I/O, never really enjoyed skiing with it. The nose always seemed to block my breathing. After trying the Oakley Flight Deck I found that its fit around my nose was much better and allowed me to breath normally.

post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 

Flight Deck'ers in special... please, read on.

 

I ended up returning the Smith I/O goggle, because of too narrow field of vision (both sideways and downwards). With the new helmet, both Airbrake and Flight Deck fit OK. The latter with a better field of view. Problem was that they only had older lenses left in the shop (no prizm). I also have he Anon M2 and Scott LCG on my short list.

 

There is one thing that makes me uncertain about the Flight Deck: Lens change. It does seem more difficult and time consuming than with Airbrake, Anon M2 and Scott LCG. And it seems like you will have to touch your lens. It may have a benefit of being better sealed against snow protruding from above. I was not allowed taking the lens off/on in the shop, because they did not believe that the lens was supposed to be changed... seriously...

 

What are your experiences with Flight Deck lens change?

And.. can I get great flat light performance from the Prizm Jade? (ie. no need to buy the Prism Rose?)

post #12 of 22

The Flight Deck is not a fast lens change by any means. I've done it a dozen times now and it's still tricky. Guessing it takes me about 2-3 minutes now, vs. virtually 0 seconds for the Anon M2.

 

For the Flight Deck, you have to release the lens from tabs around the nose and on top and then take the lens out of the groove that it sits in. I think Oakley calls this the ziplock system or something. Getting it out is easy. Getting it in is the trick. You really have to work the lens and the frame to get those tabs in around the nose. Then you have to go all around seating the lens in the groove. There is no way to do it without touching the lens and it can't be done in gloves. Plan to have a lens cloth with you to wipe off the fingerprints afterwards.

 

That said...

 

I don't think you need more than 1 Prizm lens. I have the Rose and the Black Iridium. I've now skied with them on 2 bluebird days on Mt. Hood where it's about as bright as anywhere. One day I switched between the Rose and the Black. The second day I just wore the Rose. Quite honestly, the Rose handles bright sun just great. On the day I used both, I actually preferred the Rose to the Black.

 

If you're looking for flat light performance, just get the Rose and I guarantee it'll be great in bright sun.  It's biggest drawback is that it doesn't have a cool-looking mirror finish.

 

(Also, if anyone wants to make me on offer on a Flight Deck Prizm Black Iridium lens, it's for sale.)

post #13 of 22

Henrikski, I work in a shop so have been able to get a lot of practice changing the lens and until you really know how to do it it is definitely not as easy as a smith i/o line goggle, LCG or M2, and you have to touch the lens a lot, but I feel the fit especially in the nose is better on the flight deck than any of the previously listed goggles.  Once you've had a good amount of practice is a piece of cake(takes me maybe a minute to take the lens out and put it back in) but what is difficult about it is is that there is a small rubber rib that has to fit into a groove in the frame around the whole goggle with rubber fins in the nose that are a little tricky to line up.  I find it is easiest to get the nose in as well as you can first and if you cant get it perfect right away that is fine, move on to the corners of the frame and one those are in the rest is pretty easy; when getting the sides and top of the lens to fit into the frame isn't hard and once everything but the nose is perfect just push the nose a bit and that should line up the fins on the nose so that the lens is locked in, heres a video from Oakley on the a-frame but it is very similar to the flight deck  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPA0ZjBzbfQ&list=PLXNKLektW7CWCnq3qgenbeoAL7q3FxHoW

 

  The Prizm lenses are all conditions lenses so there would be no need to buy more than one of them.  I have heard from a lot of guys that the rose Prizm lens is the best of the three.  I would recommend buying the flight deck with the Prizm lens that you want and than not worrying about changing the lens.  I personally like the Jade Iridium because it is almost like a photochromic lens, in sunny conditions it looks like it is the Jade Iridium colored lens(to a viewer) and in lower light conditions it isn't as reflective and looks more like the rose lens and has a decently heavy mirror allowing it to be a very good bluebird lens as well as a low light lens.  All of the Prizm lenses have a base rose tint. The Prizm lenses are basically multiple lenses in one because they have the base rose tint used in low light goggle but in the case of the Black and Jade iridium they have a pretty heavy mirror which aids in bright conditions. 

 

Here is another link that takes you to a playlist that has many videos from Oakley on Prizm lenses, the best are the RnD video, the Prizm Ski video, and the videos on flat and bright light.  These videos really help explain the lens technology.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ekyHArIcU&list=PLxrkx8T30eh3xLOUnDF3JxgTi-j8T0W34&index=1

 

Also here is a picture that shows what the Prizm lenses are designed to do, as stated above they are good in all conditions, especially the rose.  

post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks at lot, kauffee and Jonlevy77, for very specific and experience based information!

Just what I was looking for.

post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have found a shop with Flight Deck white frame / rose prizm lens. My initial thought, is that white frame may reflect in the lens, and therefore not a good idea. Any experiences with white frame on Flight Deck?
post #16 of 22
I have the flight decks which the white frame and they do reflect on the lens if you look for it. The only time I notice it is on the lift im I'm looking down by the nose, at first I thought it was a clear strip on my high intensity yellow lens
post #17 of 22
If your looking anywhere but right by your nose you shouldn't notice it
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks! I was a little worried based on experience trying on Cebe goggles in a shop (white frame, orange lens). In that shop, the reflection was irritating. I guess, when focusing on the skiing, you would not notice it, but it still is there... I will play safe, and aim for Black Matte frame.

post #19 of 22
Have the. Smith Vantage with a Smith I/o
Well and this doesnt fit my Head/ nose
Any suggestions for nee goggles or helmet. Seem to have a weird Head shape...



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post #20 of 22

Go to a ski shop and try on helmet and goggle combinations.

post #21 of 22

Electric EG 2.5.

 

After trying a TON of different goggles (Smith, Oakley, Scott, Bolle, Spy, Dragon), my wife eventually settled on these and loves them.  Relatively short height compared to most other brands/models out there.  Great wide field of vision (for smaller faces).  Much less "square-ish" than Oakleys, far more "wide rectangle" overall.  They're not quick-swap lenses, but how many times does one need to swap during the day anyways?  But you can swap lenses, takes about 60 seconds or less once you do it a few times.  Plenty of colours, good lens variety available too.  Highly recommend for not-too-tall goggle needs.

post #22 of 22
Thanks, will Look out for theme


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