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Please help me choose a POC racing helmet ASAP

post #1 of 14
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Thanks in advance - starting my masters training season this weekend (late, I know) and would like to overnight a helmet in time.

 

I decided to try POC (no particular reason - had to start somewhere) but their website isn't clear as to which helmets have which features - there is no simple comparison chart.

 

The feature I'm interested in is the MIPS - multidirectional impact protection system. If it is even possible that this can mitigate rotational motion during an impact I'm all for it - even if conclusive data on its effectiveness isn't in yet. I have a close friend with a phd in physics who has patented a similar technology for reducing rotational brain motion during impact sports - a technology he is trying to license to helmet companies for sports like football and martial arts.

 

Trouble is I can't see which POC helmets have MIPS:

 

Skull Orbic Comp - $380 list - has MIPS, even though the technical feature page doesn't list it

Skull Comp 2.0 - $300 list - not sure. The technical features page does not list MIPS but does not say it DOESN'T have MIPs - http://www.pocsports.com/en/product/1202/skull-comp-2-0

 

There is another feature which looks good - a "progressive honeycomb" absorption technology which is listed on the CHEAPER Skull Comp 2.0's technical specs list but NOT the more expensive Skull Orbic Comp's spec list.

 

Anyone have the final word on which helmets have these two features - MIPS and Supracor progressive honeycomb?

 

For reference - Skull Orbic Comp page: http://www.pocsports.com/en/product/1654/skull-orbic-comp

Skull Comp 2.0 page: http://www.pocsports.com/en/product/1202/skull-comp-2-0

post #2 of 14

the Comp is their legacy style helmet, honeycomb no MIPS good enough for Masters
 

the orbic is their new line. Bigger front area, different shock absorption material. It's the latest FIS helmet. no MIPS.

I believe MIPS is only in the free ride series.

post #3 of 14
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the Comp is their legacy style helmet, honeycomb no MIPS good enough for Masters
 

the orbic is their new line. Bigger front area, different shock absorption material. It's the latest FIS helmet. no MIPS.

I believe MIPS is only in the free ride series.


If you are buying a new race helmet, make sure it has the FIS sticker.  At the moment it will be compulsory for ALL USSA as eel as FIS races next season, including Masters. (there are proposals being put forward by Masters Divisions to delay this but that is far from certain at this stage.)  In the POC line that means the Orbic ones.  The COMP 2 doesn't have the FIS sticker.

 

This is good advice for anyone buying a new helmet that intends to do even occasional races

post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post
 

the Comp is their legacy style helmet, honeycomb no MIPS good enough for Masters
 

the orbic is their new line. Bigger front area, different shock absorption material. It's the latest FIS helmet. no MIPS.

I believe MIPS is only in the free ride series.

 

Oy. This is so confusing - according to the following article, the Orbic does have MIPS - but POC's own website does not say so. Perhaps the article got it wrong?

 

http://skiracing.com/gear-guide-news/poc-recognized-by-popular-science-for-helmet-safety/

post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post
 

the Comp is their legacy style helmet, honeycomb no MIPS good enough for Masters
 

the orbic is their new line. Bigger front area, different shock absorption material. It's the latest FIS helmet. no MIPS.

I believe MIPS is only in the free ride series.


If you are buying a new race helmet, make sure it has the FIS sticker.  At the moment it will be compulsory for ALL USSA as eel as FIS races next season, including Masters. (there are proposals being put forward by Masters Divisions to delay this but that is far from certain at this stage.)  In the POC line that means the Orbic ones.  The COMP 2 doesn't have the FIS sticker.

 

This is good advice for anyone buying a new helmet that intends to do even occasional races

Great more unnecessary restrictions for low level racing... 

 

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Originally Posted by calisnow View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jzamp View Post
 

the Comp is their legacy style helmet, honeycomb no MIPS good enough for Masters
 

the orbic is their new line. Bigger front area, different shock absorption material. It's the latest FIS helmet. no MIPS.

I believe MIPS is only in the free ride series.

 

Oy. This is so confusing - according to the following article, the Orbic does have MIPS - but POC's own website does not say so. Perhaps the article got it wrong?

 

http://skiracing.com/gear-guide-news/poc-recognized-by-popular-science-for-helmet-safety/

Not the same helmet
http://news.pocsports.com/2014/02/06/poc-earns-prestigious-awards-at-sia-and-ispo-trade-shows/ 
Orbic H.I. MIPS vs Orbic comp

post #6 of 14
Don't quote me on this, but I think MIPS helmets are supposed to be discarded after an impact. Something to consider if I'm remembering right.
Edit: MIPS are multiimpact, ignore me.
Edited by clink83 - 2/4/15 at 11:02pm
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by calisnow View Post
 

 

Oy. This is so confusing - according to the following article, the Orbic does have MIPS - but POC's own website does not say so. Perhaps the article got it wrong?

 

http://skiracing.com/gear-guide-news/poc-recognized-by-popular-science-for-helmet-safety/


That is not same helmet ;) I might be wrong now, but as far as I know, this MIPS Orbic (real name should be Skull Orbic Comp H.I. MIPS) is not even out in stores yet. Even when it will be, if it will even be, I'm pretty sure it's not going to go for 400eur as current Skull Orbic goes, but more likely twice as much ;)

PS: I think only two helmets with FIS sticker from POC are Skull Orbic Comp (400eur) and Skull Orbic X (200eur).

post #8 of 14
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That is not same helmet ;) I might be wrong now, but as far as I know, this MIPS Orbic (real name should be Skull Orbic Comp H.I. MIPS) is not even out in stores yet. Even when it will be, if it will even be, I'm pretty sure it's not going to go for 400eur as current Skull Orbic goes, but more likely twice as much ;)

PS: I think only two helmets with FIS sticker from POC are Skull Orbic Comp (400eur) and Skull Orbic X (200eur).

 

By golly I think you're right. The HI MIPS shows up with a price of $479 on skis.com - but the page says it is "out of stock" - http://www.skis.com/POC-Skull-Orbic-Comp-H.I.-MIPS-Helmet-2015/356596P,default,pd.html

post #9 of 14
The POC skull comp 2.0 Bode edition has FIS conformity sticker, at least mine has.
post #10 of 14


Are you sure?  Is it the small square FIS silver sticker as opposed to the older "SG/DH" sticker?

post #11 of 14
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Are you sure?  Is it the small square FIS silver sticker as opposed to the older "SG/DH" sticker?

Sorry, it is the old sticker valid for 2013/14 season
post #12 of 14
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Sorry, it is the old sticker valid for 2013/14 season


Yes, that is what I thought.    You are not alone, a lot of people are going to get a nasty shock about the new regs.  Particularly wham some of the new spec helmets sold last year didn't have the FIS sticker :( .  While I have no objection in principle to the new regs, the fact they are being implemented wholesale next year creates  a lot of issues, particularly at a time when we are trying to attract new masters racers, this creates another barrier to entry.  Will also create some logistical issues in how we enforce it at races.

 

For non-racers, there could be some great deals on old spec helmets!!

post #13 of 14

How do POC helmets fit?

 

I am an ex-racer and a recent (non-head) injury is pushing me towards wearing a helmet.

 

Interested in POC Ski Race Helmet Skull X.  I realize that it is not FIS approved but am worried about weight and how it fits.

 

I measure 59 CM around the forehead.

 

Any thoughts on this helmet (POC Ski Race Helmet Skull X), fit, and sizing compared to others?

 

Thank you.

post #14 of 14
If you go to the POC website, they give equivalences between measures and helmet size, by model. IME, POC's except Receptor are best for round heads. I have long narrow head, wear POCS anyway, need to get size larger than my measurements suggest. Incidentally, as far as MIPS, the Receptor + has MIPS, the Skulls do not. Rep told me they planned to release it this season but went for Orbic instead. Next season, he said, racing lines will have MIPS. We'll see. Attitude seems to be that MIPS is more necessary for backcountry freestyle where rocks and air are in play. Don't agree, but mystifyingly POC doesn't follow my advice...😉
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