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Skiers Edge

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Has anyone had experience with the "Skiers Edge" exercise machine that's advertised in just about every ski magazine? It looks like it would work well with the ski-specific muscle groups and yet be relatively low-impact on the knees.

I've played around with balance boards and a few other similar items, but it just didn't feel like skiing and wasn't really a workout. I truly loathe going to the gym (still do, though), but an exercise machine I can use during non-ski days in the winter and the dreadful summer months might just be the ticket to keep me somewhat in shape. Crank up the Warren Miller on the TV and make some turns.
post #2 of 19
I haven't used the Skiers Edge, but I've heard good things about it. Fitter1 http://www.fitter1.com makes something called the profitter, that I believe may be less expensive than the Skiers Edge.
post #3 of 19
I've heard great things about it.

But, nothing takes the place of snow...

"Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow".
post #4 of 19
Hi Alaska Mike--

My feeling about the Skier's Edge is that it can be fun, and it can simulate some of the motions and sensations of skiing, can develop some of the muscles needed for skiing, and can't hurt your aerobic fitness either. But the movements it causes you to make are distinctly NOT the same as good skiing, in one very significant way, and it is possible that the machine could create some very bad habits.

In skiing, it is a bad habit to push your feet sideways. This is exactly what the Skier's Edge causes you to practice. If they could modify the machine such that your feet TURNED left and right as they MOVED left and right, I would have fewer reservations about it. But as it is, the sideways movements of the feet represent perhaps the most common and insidious cause of the "intermediate rut"! Beware of the habits it can create!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #5 of 19

I used Skier's Edge back 5ish years ago on a 30 day trail. There was a model that had small skiis attached to it, and it pivoted your feet, so there was some sensation of rotary motion. Wasn't smooth though.

Skier's Edge/Fitter stress the pressure and edging and balance....well three out of four skills needed.... so the question is IF YOU CAN"T SKI, do you sit or practice 3 out of 4 skills?
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies, everyone.
I hadn't really considered the rotary issue, which is a very valid and interesting point. I was looking to use it for:
1.) muscle-building
2.) aerobic conditioning
3.) balance
and most importantly...
4.) something to help me with powder technique.

The snow up here is variable due to the low base elevation (250' above sea level at Alyeska), so excellent balance and very strong legs are valuable commodities.

I looked at the ProFitter, but I think the Skier's Edge has some sort of spring/band mechanism to simulate rebounding skis which seems closer to the real thing.

KeeTov- What made you decide to return the machine?
post #7 of 19
Several issues made me return it. Money wasn't one of them because the Fitter is about the same.

Carrying weight was high. I like to travel with my machines, and the Fitter was like carrying a bag of groceries-has a handle underneath.

Versitility. Fitter lets you work on more than just skiing activites. Don't know the names for all of them. Adduct and abducting of your legs. Calves and quads, ankles, adbominals. You can "row" and "lunge", and one legged everything.

Smoothness. You called it rebounding, I called it rough. The Fitter will rebound if you are doing it that way. When I tried both machines, I did the "old" style of down-up-down, I did "long leg-short leg", I did crossover, crossunder, and the FITTER was smoother. The Skier's Edge always had that "rebound" jerk feeling no matter what I did.

Quieter. Fitter makes less noise. Important when watching ski movies.

Try them for 30 days and see. Good luck.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 01, 2002 08:20 AM: Message edited 1 time, by KeeTov ]</font>
post #8 of 19
Mike, one of the problems that fitness instructors who also design sports conditioning programs, is that there will always be SOME differentiation between the exercise and the actual sport. Skiing is probably the MOST challenging, since you have to deal with the laws of physics, a good deal of equipment, ground surface differentiation, and temperature differences.
Look at a simple exercise, such as the squat, where you are supposed to keep your weight back on your heels. If you try to apply the exact same principals to skiing, you would be in the back seat.

That being said, keeping in mind what you said your goals are, either the fitter or skiers edge may be suitable. It may be a good idea to make a note of what Bob Barnes is saying, and take that into account. BTW, the poor man's version of the Skiers edge and Fitter is the Slide Board.
post #9 of 19
Look at a simple exercise, such as the squat, where you are supposed to keep your weight back on your heels. If you try to apply the exact same principals to skiing, you would be in the back seat.

LM, that's both true and not. Heel pressure is good if your body is balanced. Heel pressure is bad if that's all you use.

I agree that squats aren't like skiing -- and anyone who does squats for training should be fully aware that the point of the squat isn't mimicry, but rather strengthening. Proper technique is absolutely critical -- otherwise squats can create or inflame patellar tendonitis, can put undue strain on all knee ligaments, and can hurt the lower back.

Great stuff in here from everyone. Thanks.
post #10 of 19
Excellent point Gonz. I was actually thinking of this from the point of view of a newer skier, who may percieve that if you keep your weight stays on your heels during a squat, it should stay there the whole time while skiing. Another thing on the squat, which I asked about awhile ago, is the upper body positioning is different than what an aerodynamic racers tuck would be.
It all becomes really interesting once you put a static position into motion. So mnay dynamics to think about.
post #11 of 19
I would only add a point Lisa mentioned about a slide board. To me this not just a poor mans trainer I think it is far better than the other 2 for exactly the reason Bob B mentioned about the skiers edge having you push your feet to the side. On a slide board you push your body away from your feet, which is much different and many skiers could hone! Also great exercise.

Lisa does fitter of someone sell long ones? like 6 or 8 or 10ft?
post #12 of 19
I believe fitter does. http://www.fitter1.com
post #13 of 19
the skiers edge works beautifully... it really helps your muscle memory (which can be a bad thing if you have no idea what you're doing).
post #14 of 19

Skiers Edge

I bought the skiers edge Big Mountain version last July and have been using it in my work out schedule for 30 minutes 5-6 days per week. I bought it for a couple of reasons, looked like more fun then riding a stationary bike, low impact workout (3 knee operations) and build up my skiing muscles. I discussed this with an arthitis doctor and his comment was "looks like a good machine, low impact and it will build lateral strength in the knees" "no other exercise machine I have seen will do this". I just got back from Vail / Beaver Creek and observed the following:

1) It did build up my endurance and recovery time. My legs did not have that heavy feeling like previous years.
2) It did not affect my skiing technique.
3) Need to increase my routine from 30 minutes to ?. Living at 500 ft. above sea level nothing can simulate the physical exertion at 10,000 feet.
post #15 of 19
We bought the big mountain version a couple of years ago after having a skier's edge 3 for years. Being a flatlander it is a great way to work the muscles they same way as skiing. Since we started using the skiers edge we don't have that 1st day of getting ourski legs back.
post #16 of 19
Skiers edge owner for 3 yrs, brother has had one for long time, muscle memory is great, Skiing behind him now and you can see the "arc" from the machine. I do 30-40 min stes with intervals, 90 secs, making 95-100 turns in that time, recover 30-45 secs kind of like resting after a run, then sprint again, great machine and I do stat bike as well.
post #17 of 19
I have the new WC Plyometric Skiers Edge.

I don't feel that pushing your feet out on the machine transfers bad habits ot your skis. ito properly use it it does encourage a very quiet centered upper body.

I also have the slope simulator and Gate keeper system.

Very interesting leaving the platform completlely loose or at a fixed pitch. also it is the stance is width adjustable. Which I think is important.

Gate keeper make you have to get feet out farther then you may normally since it is width adjustable and for a tun to count you must clikc it. also helps with training for a specified number of turns in a specified time (simulates a race course).

I definetly like the mcahine Particularly the World Cup Machine (because of the increased height of the tracks) you get hte low leg short collapsed inside leg feel.

Maybe Bob' point about the feet is valid for a less technically profecient skier, but I think at Alaska Mike's level, this is not going to be a problem.

Closest thing to real skiing I have experienced off the hill. And the thing kikc your butt! You do 140 or 150 turns in 2 minutes and I guarnatte you you will feel it!

The complaint i have is it works your quads in front and somewhat on the sides, but I tend to use my hamstrings more when i ski then my quads.
post #18 of 19

I got muscle sore every year after my first ski trip. Since using Skiers Edge (Original) I never get sore.

Great workout to get ready for sking.

Improve your technique?  I don't know about that, but it's great exercise. I've had mine since they first started and only needed new bands once in the beginning.



post #19 of 19

Hamstring can be work on using the mogul/powder platform. Especially without the safety bar and/or poles.

Promotes a very quiet upper body and coordinates balance and retraction skills.


With the mogul/powder platform - if the timing is off the platform does not move. 

Brute force does not work on the mogul platform. Finesse only. 

My son used to do couple minutes on it when he was 7 with no bars or poles as balance aid. So weight and/or power are not the deciding factors. 


Once the platform is moving well, try slowing the retraction and extension rate simulates real life powder turn where the turn rates are generally slower then hard pack turns. Really good for eastern hard pack skiers having issues with powder.    

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