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post #31 of 55
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I've been looking at the Atomic Redster AA0024984 (these are new old stock), so posters of that choice are in line with my thinking. My only concern has been I do not want a ski I can overpower as I have done so on a few others. The Fishers I have, are great skies but require a certain, should I say 'finesse', in the Slalom gates at a 21+ meter radius. Atomicman what bindings are you using on yours? I'm considering Atomic X 12's. 

X16

post #32 of 55
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I have found Fischer Slaloms just too gnarly!

 

 

5'7 / 145 - just got Fischer WC Stiff 158 SL and it is DA BOMB !!! Love it. It is definitely softer than the Atomic Rester FIS 158 at 37/27 at least in the tip... turns if you just look at it and stays there... 


Edited by razie - 2/7/15 at 4:18pm
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
 

 

Head is a great ski, but you're going to spend a lot more time and effort getting Heads to bend at the top of the turn...

 

:cool

don't think so... not much more anyways... it is just different in flex pattern. I have no problem now actually feeling the tip bend as way early as I need... it may be that they require you to be a little more forward while on the Fischers and Atomics you can be a little more central...?

 

cheers.

 

I prefer my Head for an every day ski. On course, used to be the Atomics, now the Fischers.

post #34 of 55

I'll add my 2 cents worth since I love slalom skis in the east.  I have 2 pair.  One pair is a 3-4 year old Fischer WC slalom.  Very quick but squirrelly at moderate GS speeds.  So really fun unless you push the speed limit. Great in the bumps.   My second pair are last years Head i slaloms.  Just the ski I was looking for.  They are reasonably comfortable at mod GS speeds, not quite as quick as the Fischers but quick.   I do not like a dead ski.  Most all mountain skis that I have tried do not have enough snap for me.  I  never feel that either of these skis let me down making crisp short turns on hard snow.  Great hold on ice with a sharp edge.  Fischers slightly easier to bend however  put the Heads on edge and they come around beautifully.   64 year old former racer.   YM 

post #35 of 55
Thread Starter 

I ended up buying Fischer RC4 WC SL Race FIS Skis med flex 165cm 2014, also the  Fischer RC4 Z 17 Freeflex Ski Bindings 2013 both are new old stock. A friend had a pair I was able to test and that was all it took. 

 

Last week, I had a couple of hard crashes. Hooked four gates, went down on two. I was in the SL course but survived with only with sore elbows and a sore hip bone soooo... guess what else I bought this week and will be wearing? Yep... padded undies and elbow pads. No more 'mister macho' man!:hissyfit: ...Us ole guys gotta be careful. All my crashes before that... I was undamaged.

 

The conditions were a bit rough last week, the potholes were popping up on the GS course fast. We lost one of our better younger masters to injury for the year, broken collar bone I heard.

 

Thanks for all your comments! I'll let you know what I think of them.


Edited by scadvice - 2/19/15 at 3:57pm
post #36 of 55
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5'7 / 145 - just got Fischer WC Stiff 158 SL and it is DA BOMB !!! Love it. It is definitely softer than the Atomic Rester FIS 158 at 37/27 at least in the tip... turns if you just look at it and stays there... 

I sincerely find this difficult to believe, although I ski big boy skis! :D

 

165cm

 

I have NEVER seen any Fischer softer than an atomic in any part of the ski!

post #37 of 55
Well, as I recently found out, mine is bigger than yours! The turn radius that is: Turn radius of some if the 158s is bigger than the 165s heh.

Nah, it is softer - my FIS Atomic is 37/27 and the Fischer tip is softer... By hand but softer

Cheers
post #38 of 55
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Well, as I recently found out, mine is bigger than yours! The turn radius that is: Turn radius of some if the 158s is bigger than the 165s heh.

Nah, it is softer - my FIS Atomic is 37/27 and the Fischer tip is softer... By hand but softer

Cheers

So you are saying that the Fischer 158  radius is smaller than the Atomic 165 radius.

 

so what is the Fischer radius. I can't find it published anywhere and I have no Fischer skis

post #39 of 55

11.5m for the 158 Fischer

 

12.5m for the Atomic 165.  12.7m for the atomic 158.

post #40 of 55
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11.5m for the 158 Fischer

12.5m for the Atomic 165.  12.7m for the atomic 158.
i find it hard to believe their women FIS world cup ski has an 11.5 m rsdius. Anyways, just checked, it is not on the ski or the website and their stupid racecode website - it doesnt work.

But yeah, look at the Atomic.... See, mine is bigger tongue.gif all these wooses skiing the shorter radiuses like the 165 should stop bragging, eh ?????. Women are the real men!

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post #41 of 55
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i find it hard to believe their women FIS world cup ski has an 11.5 m rsdius. Anyways, just checked, it is not on the ski or the website and their stupid racecode website - it doesnt work.

But yeah, look at the Atomic.... See, mine is bigger tongue.gif all these wooses skiing the shorter radiuses like the 165 should stop bragging, eh ?????. Women are the real men!

roflmao.gif

You have no idea what the WC actually skis on , but you are getting a big head over .2 M of radius but 7cm less sch........long?

 

Probably none of this FIS Public Race Stock stuff!

post #42 of 55

Mine is bigger and STIFFER :rotflmao:.   (Fischer 165 cm) 

Do you finish first?  ;)

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post #44 of 55
So what is women's FIS minimum radius ?
post #45 of 55
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So what is women's FIS minimum radius ?

 

Note sure the rules have a listed minimum but they all stick around 12m or 13m. The only listed rule for womens SL skis is 155cm.

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post #47 of 55
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So what is women's FIS minimum radius ?

There is NO minimum radius only length and waist width (63MM)


Edited by Atomicman - 2/21/15 at 9:35am
post #48 of 55

ok, ok... well, if those are 11.5 versus Atomic's 12.7 at the same 158 length, that would explain why they're much softer... 

 

wow - still surprised with that... 

post #49 of 55
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ok, ok... well, if those are 11.5 versus Atomic's 12.7 at the same 158 length, that would explain why they're much softer... 

 

wow - still surprised with that... 


Nope!.  Common mistake but Flex is unrelated to radius.  

post #50 of 55
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Nope!.  Common mistake but Flex is unrelated to radius.  


interesting. What I would say is that a softer ski FEELS like one with a shorter radius. Simply because it turns more at the same effort. So perceived flex and radius are very related.

post #51 of 55
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interesting. What I would say is that a softer ski FEELS like one with a shorter radius. Simply because it turns more at the same effort. So perceived flex and radius are very related.


Only if you are riding the sidecut rather than pressuring the ski.  the flex is way more critical in a race ski

post #52 of 55
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Nope!.  Common mistake but Flex is unrelated to radius.  


interesting. What I would say is that a softer ski FEELS like one with a shorter radius. Simply because it turns more at the same effort. So perceived flex and radius are very related.

Depends on how precise your senses are.

A 15 m radius Volkl C30 feels easier to make 6 m turns on than a 13 m Fischer SC, but to me it feels softer not not like it has a shorter radius. 

 

There is a fundamental engineering design problem.  You want the ski to be stiff enough to give the right amount of deformation for the amount of speed that will be involved in that 6 m radius turn, and likely tipping angle that will go along with balancing those forces, but I suspect there is a certain amount of personal preference involved.  For example I think for my preferences the amount of force needed to flex my SCs into a turn is about right for me at my weight  (160 lbs) when I'm pushing them, but a little stiff when not skiing hard. For easy cruising and 8/10s skiing an AC30 being softer is less work and just as much fun.  My old P50 F1s are too easy to flex longitudinally when pushed hard.  My old SGs NEED to skied full speed ahead, take no prisoners ask no quarter style put a smile on my face.

post #53 of 55
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 I set my dins at 8.5 because of my age 68. It sucks getting older - grin. I found by trial and error that I won't shake them off at that setting. That is why I thought of X-12's, there is no way I'm going back up to a full din of 12 at this age. Also, another question, how do you know what the stiffness is on the Atomics for sure? I can't find any confirming info on the AA0024984 number being related to the stiffness of 37/27.

I "shook off" some of the Fischer Z17-equivalents (eLan R17s) which were set to 9.5 on a pair of GS skis so had to bump mine to 11.5 in order to get them to "stay on my feet" at speed.  I am 52 & 215lbs & YMMV so trial and error is needed but I (personally) would HATE to have a binding KRANKED all the way to the max so I would "skip" the X-12s personally.  It's just not good for durability or confidence


Edited by ndabunka - 3/5/15 at 6:49pm
post #54 of 55
I got mine new 13/14 Atomic wc 165 m with x19 and 3 mm lifters now for two weeks and I just love them ! As this is my first FIS SL skis I needed some time to get used to the stiffnes and quick response time but once I adjusted my stance and skiing technique and add more power and speed the skis started to work great and some minore detuning (3-5 cm) of the edges that I wad advised really helped a lot!
post #55 of 55
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6'2" & 215 lbs... 68 yrs old past Level II PSIA ski instructor...Kirkwood 13 years (part time) started ski racing this year Slalom and some GS. Most of my competition come from 10 to 20 year younger skiers. Grin. I'm happy with my Fischer RC4 173 in the GS, but I need to find a ski for the Slalom gates which I'm just starting to slap hard. Looking for suggestions on skies to look at for someone my size. I like a stiff ski with a lot of rebound that you need to stay on your toes with as I am a really aggressive and athletic old F#rt. Thanks'
 
I have a pair of Volkl WC SL 165s for sale if you're interested.

http://www.epicski.com/t/133375/fs-2013-volkl-racetiger-wc-sl-165-marker-comp-16s#post_1847727
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