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New to east coast - Demo'd Rossi Experience 84 178cm and Fischer Motive 175cm, what else should I try?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I moved back out east last year after being out west for a few years. I'm currently skiing on 186cm Rossignol S3's that are pretty beat up. Great when it snows and in the tree's where I can slip and slide around but on east coast hardpack they suck. Frankly I don't really ski groomers much, I ski at Jay mostly and just head for the trees on most days, but my kids are starting to ski so I need a groomer ski. I'm 6' 185lbs, I'm a solid skier but more of a freeride/pow/backcountry skier. The whole carving groomers thing is not something I've ever really done but since I'm out east now and it doesn't snow much I want a ski that's going to make groomers fun, because my S3's are not cutting it. 

 

I borrowed a buddies Atomics supercross something or other race stock gs skis, and woah, not for me. I don't have a racing background, I had to go like mach 10 to carve those things. I couldn't skid them at low speed. And in bumps they kicked my ass. Not for me. 

 

I'm looking for a ski to do quick small radius carving on groomers, I don't like doing big sweeping high speed turns on groomers out east, too many people on the runs and not enough room. I also want something that isn't just "carving or nothing", skiing with my kids there will be lots of low speed skidding around. And ideally something that's still going to be fun and playful if I take them in typical bumps (ie not 40 degree olympic zipperline bump run). 

 

So all that said, I had time to demo two skis last weekend, Fischer Motive 175cm (80mm waist) and Rossignol Experience 84 178cm. I loved them both, I have not had that much fun on groomed runs, ever. The Fischer's felt better carving, they just seemed to dig in more, felt more like I was on rails. But when I did some bumps and slow skid turns they weren't as cooperative as the Rossi's. The Rossi's were great carving up a blue run, just like the Motive's but felt less grippy/confident, though still fun. They were easy to ski and playful in the bumps, and no problem skidding them around at low speed. I don't know a whole lot about ski tech, but I'm assuming the Motive's are stiffer and that's why they were better carving but less enjoyable for the rest? 

 

So is there a ski that's like the motive's for carving, but still fun and playful like the Rossi's in bumps or skidding around? What other skis I should make a point of demoing before I buy something? Thanks!

 

PS. In case anyone knows, are the Experience 84's pretty much the same as last years Experience 83's? Last years model is about half the price so if I ended up going down that route it would be nice to save $300. 

post #2 of 19

I have the Fischer Motives and they are a great carver/ice ski but not that playful.  Take a look at the Brahma.  

post #3 of 19


The Rossi Experience line is all new this year. You might be able to rent last years 83's to see if you would like them as well as this years 84's.

post #4 of 19

I've heard good things about the Volkl RTM 80, but have yet to try it. 

 

Here is a thread a started, it has similar suggestions, though you're probably a better skier: http://www.epicski.com/t/131592/midwest-skier-looking-for-ski-recommendations

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

Has anyone skied the Rossi Experience 83 and 84? I can't find any comparisons searching the forum

post #6 of 19

I had the chance to demo the Experience 83 2 years ago, and the Experience 84 last week.  Personally, I much preferred the Experience 84.  I am not sure if it is the full sidewall, the air tip or something else in the new construction, but I had much more fun with the "feel" of the 84.  The 83, for me, was just an OK ski ... nothing wrong with it at all, just did not do anything to make me stand up and take notice.  I was surprised by the 84 last week, as it had a lighter and poppier feel and "fun" factor for me, without losing much in stability.  I would probably enjoy even a bit more stability with the rest of the characteristics of the ski, so I am going to try to demo the 88 as well.  I am also 2" shorter and just about 20 lbs. lighter than you, and skied the 170.  A longer length may have given that added stability.

post #7 of 19

I've found that the RTM 84's can carve pretty well, but I found them fairly forgiving as well. Definitely take a look at the Brahmas and the Kendos, and the NRGY 90s. All are pretty well suited to bumps, trees, crud, and groomers.

post #8 of 19

I would go a bit wider (mid to upper 80s) and consider skis like Blizzard Brahma, Rossi E88 and Fischer Motive 86.  Enough width to handle some fresh snow well, but quick enough for the narrower eastern terrain and with good grip on the firm stuff.  If you can get two pair, a narrower carver like a Head Supershape or a Fischer Progressor plus a wider ski (upper 90s) for the days with fresh snow would be even better.   

post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by JimH View Post
 

I would go a bit wider (mid to upper 80s) and consider skis like Blizzard Brahma, Rossi E88 and Fischer Motive 86.  Enough width to handle some fresh snow well, but quick enough for the narrower eastern terrain and with good grip on the firm stuff.  If you can get two pair, a narrower carver like a Head Supershape or a Fischer Progressor plus a wider ski (upper 90s) for the days with fresh snow would be even better.   

Two pairs would be the best way to go, if you can. You could buy one of the two pairs this year, and buy the second half of your quiver next year. Since you've got the S3's now, I'd say go for the Supershape, Firearrow, or Progessor now, and replace the S3's with a Mantra or Bonafide next year.

post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 

Well I was going to write that my S3's are great powder or soft snow skis, if the snow is soft is doesn't matter that the ski is beat. And out east it's all tree skiing so I don't need a stiffer powder ski, I'm not going to by GSing down big alpine faces. I'm really just looking for something for hardpack groomers and bumps, so I'd probably stick with a smaller waist. I found the 80mm Motives more solid carving than the 84mm Experience. So I wouldn't want to give up even more hardpack performance by going larger than 84mm but I'll demo the 88's this weekend anyways. 

post #11 of 19

Sounds like a good plan. If you want something that can really rip on hard pack, but won't beat you up like a world cup race ski will, check out some beer league race skis. I've found that they are significantly softer, but still rock solid on the ice. It sounds like your S3's will cover all other snow conditions. I use Volkl's WC SL skis most days here on the East coast, and I break out the Mantras when we get some heavy snow. 

post #12 of 19

I have the rossi 83s but in 184cm.

Great ski, holds an edge really well...can sometimes get chatter on ice but nothing to worry about.

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by east coast ice View Post
 

Sounds like a good plan. If you want something that can really rip on hard pack, but won't beat you up like a world cup race ski will, check out some beer league race skis. I've found that they are significantly softer, but still rock solid on the ice. It sounds like your S3's will cover all other snow conditions. I use Volkl's WC SL skis most days here on the East coast, and I break out the Mantras when we get some heavy snow. 

 

A viable option.  In fact my narrow pair is the Fischer Superior SC.  The SCs are definitely a blast on firm groomers.  Only disadvantage is that even a beer league race ski is not as versatile as something like a Supershape or Progressor or Firearrow.  These will typically handle bumps and mixed conditions better.

post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by east coast ice View Post
 

Sounds like a good plan. If you want something that can really rip on hard pack, but won't beat you up like a world cup race ski will, check out some beer league race skis. I've found that they are significantly softer, but still rock solid on the ice. It sounds like your S3's will cover all other snow conditions. I use Volkl's WC SL skis most days here on the East coast, and I break out the Mantras when we get some heavy snow. 

 

Well I'm looking for something fairly easy to ski as I don't have a race background. I want to be able to carve short radius turns on them, but still have something fun and playful in bumps, and something i can ski slowly and skid around with my kids. I found the experience 84's to be great all around, I preferred the Motive 80mm 175cm for carving but they were more difficult to manoeuvrer in the bumps so would like to know of some other skis I could try that might be playful like the Experience 84's but feel more solid carving like the Motive's. I'd rather not get a ski that requires a ton of speed to carve and is only at home doing big GS turns. 

post #15 of 19

Another brand to try are the Head REV line.  These skis are probably closer to the Motives but should be more all mountain.

post #16 of 19

I actually own and ski Rossi Exp 83s 176cm. They are the only ski I own. I got them as used demos on Ebay and came away with a pair of older demo skis in very good shape for around $250.

 

I am an intermediate skier on a budget, so I was not going to be getting anything on the newest or latest end of things.

 

I have really liked them personally. They are a great step up from my previous Exp 74Rs, and have done well in the 6 days I have on them. These are not high performance skis, but they were a great value.

 

Last year my wife and I hit up Mt Sunapee's demo day and tried out everything under the sun. the RTM 84, Head Rev 85, and newer Rossi Exp 84/88 all skied well. The Rev 85s were the loosest and least stiff feeling for me, but had the sharpest side cut. The RTM were definitely the stiffest and most hard charging.

 

I would throw my vote behind giving the Exp 88 and Head Rev 85 a shot. Those should round out a lot of the field available.

post #17 of 19

PS: And welcome to EpicSki. As a new guy myself, skiing here in VT, I have found the info and advice a great help.

 

If you are looking for a nice place to demo. Stowe has a great setup at the base of the FourRunner. $50, lap the lift all day, and swap out skis until you find your pair. If you wait until after Pres Week, they will count your demo fee as part of a purchase, and even a lot of shops in town will honor that $50 if you need something in another length.

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by borpborp View Post
 

 

Well I'm looking for something fairly easy to ski as I don't have a race background. I want to be able to carve short radius turns on them, but still have something fun and playful in bumps, and something i can ski slowly and skid around with my kids. I found the experience 84's to be great all around, I preferred the Motive 80mm 175cm for carving but they were more difficult to manoeuvrer in the bumps so would like to know of some other skis I could try that might be playful like the Experience 84's but feel more solid carving like the Motive's. I'd rather not get a ski that requires a ton of speed to carve and is only at home doing big GS turns. 

A beer league SL ski in a 165 would be good. Short radius, and they certainly do not need a ton of speed to carve. When you do want to hammer out some high-speed GS turns they can handle it. They are easy to maneuver in tight spaces (bumps and trees).

post #19 of 19

If you can get a hold of some Kastle MX78's they may be worth a try. I picked up a demo pair cheap last year and they are pretty much what you stated, stable at speed yet maneuverable and easy to carve or slide around. High performance, yet forgiving.

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