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post #1 of 13
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I know you're not supposed to touch the base edge very much, but what's becoming my "rock" skis (Soul Riders) are getting nasty edges. Every time I ski them I get nasty hardened edges sticking out. I fix the side edges no problem. But last time I went over the base edge with a 400 grit diamond stone to try to smooth it out before using a ceramic stone. One spot was so bad I used a 200 grit for a bit. I still left them in somewhat bad condition, not wanting to do it too much.

 

So what's the guideline for "fix me" or "leave me alone"? Is it okay to feel roughness? As long as it's not visibly sticking out?

 

Awaiting @Atomicman...

post #2 of 13
I do pretty much what you describe (carefully, with a guide). I'll probably still do that no matter how Atomicman responds. wink.gif
Edited by qcanoe - 2/2/15 at 6:06am
post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by nemesis256 View Post
 

I know you're not supposed to touch the base edge very much, but what's becoming my "rock" skis (Soul Riders) are getting nasty edges. Every time I ski them I get nasty hardened edges sticking out. I fix the side edges no problem. But last time I went over the base edge with a 400 grit diamond stone to try to smooth it out before using a ceramic stone. One spot was so bad I used a 200 grit for a bit. I still left them in somewhat bad condition, not wanting to do it too much.

 

So what's the guideline for "fix me" or "leave me alone"? Is it okay to feel roughness? As long as it's not visibly sticking out?

 

Awaiting @Atomicman...


Bevel it hard.  Then steel scrape the base to bring it down a bit.  I've done that several times with my "rock skis".   They ski fine.  One day I will scrape them to the core!  Or have no edge left.  Then they are finished.

post #4 of 13

I little extra base bevel in a set of rock skis is usually the least of your concerns, after all, they're typically rock skis for a reason. :)

post #5 of 13
What do you have for a 1* base guide ? .....Oh, go buy one.

Put the moonflex stone in the guide and slide it up/dn the base edge until smooth, don't put any pressure on it.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

What do you have for a 1* base guide ? .....Oh, go buy one.

Put the moonflex stone in the guide and slide it up/dn the base edge until smooth, don't put any pressure on it.

 I have been using one, but I'm still concerned about changing the angle if I do it too often.

post #7 of 13

2 Words...."Rock Skis"  :D  

 

 

In all seriousness, you gotta to do what ya gotta do, just don't  do anymore than absolutely needed!


Edited by Atomicman - 2/5/15 at 3:55pm
post #8 of 13
Again, why I said slide it, don't put pressure on it. I slide my 1* file down the base before I wax so any high spot doesn't scratch the iron.



Even after I have filed the edges I just slide the base guide down. No pressure.

You won't change the angle that way. Take you time, do it slow, you'll be fine.

I have old skis but no rock skis, I treat all my skis the same.

At Killington last Friday my Shiro's took a few hit's in the trees and Devils Fiddle. A few passes with the 200 then 400 Moonflex followed by sliding the 1* down the base and all is fine.
post #9 of 13
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2 Words...."Rock Skis"  :D 

lol, I know... but I wasn't intending on making them "rock skis" (I kind of hate that term), it just happened. But I use these on powder(y) days, which means trails without snowmaking and glades, which means thin cover, which means poor edges.

 

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In all seriousness, you gotta to do what ya gotta do, just do do anymore than absolutely needed!

But how do you define "absolutely needed"?

post #10 of 13
How much is enough. Easy. No burr, most of the edge sharp, good enough for rock skis. It's not about pretty and perfect but being functional.

Think of scratches on the base edge like a steak knife, just the better to cut with wink.gif
post #11 of 13

Yep, take off all the high points.  Don't worry about low points.  You'll hear the sound of your file or stone over the high points.  When the sound changes, you're done.

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
 

Yep, take off all the high points.  Don't worry about low points.  You'll hear the sound of your file or stone over the high points.  When the sound changes, you're done.


Still feels far from smooth though.

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
 

Yep, take off all the high points.  Don't worry about low points.  You'll hear the sound of your file or stone over the high points.  When the sound changes, you're done.


Still feels far from smooth though.

If the edge is rough because of gouges out of the edge that's ok. As long as you get rid of the burr. Don't run a finger along the edge--you won't be able to tell that way and you'll cut yourself. You can check by running the back of a fingernail outward across the base edge --if there's a burr you'll feel it that way 

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