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Either a: Kastle MX 83 173 vs. K2 AMP Rictor 82xti 177

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

For an east-coast skier, needing a one ski quiver (maybe 2 next year,) and having opportunities to buy one of these skis at a price that won't break the bank I decided I would ask you your recommendation.

Advanced/Expert skier, used to race (but not anymore,) 5'11', 165 lbs, 10-15 days/season/ East coast (mostly hardpack, but often crud, bumps or trees)

I enjoy having a powerful ski that I can carve in various turn sizes. Also wouldn't mind a ski that is still forgiving, as I'm not always on top of my game. 

For sizing I'm thinking 177 in the rictor or 173 in the mx83.

Probably won't be able to demo the MX83s but could demo the rictors.

I have heard great things about both skis (though this forum definitely prefers the mx83,) and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions.

Thanks,

 

EDIT: both of these would be the 2014 models

post #2 of 17
My new skis are the Rictors. After working through some significant tuning problems, we're coming to terms with each other. Intense edge hold. Very turny, wasn't sure I would like that, they're tighter than every other ski I've recently had in the quiver, but they're 170 (I'm 5'8"). Excellent in slush and on death cookies, so maybe that will counteract the fact that they're not quite as "groomer ZOOMER" as the skis I got them to replace.

I've read others here who have had issues with these skis if the tune is wrong. I was close to selling them, had become sort of mental about their behavior on hardpack, but after finally taking a 100 grit diamond stone to the base edges (shudder... With a guide, with a guide!) they are behaving.

Have no familiarity with the other ski. And early days with these. But I am starting to see why people refer to these as playful.
post #3 of 17

Do you like to drive the ski or ride the ski? If you like to drive it, the Kastle, ride it, the K2. The K2 is deceptively easy but don't let that fool you, you can lay it over it it will come around nicely. The Kastle will want more of your attention when you are skiing it, and that investment  can be very rewarding. 

post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

My new skis are the Rictors. After working through some significant tuning problems, we're coming to terms with each other. Intense edge hold. Very turny, wasn't sure I would like that, they're tighter than every other ski I've recently had in the quiver, but they're 170 (I'm 5'8"). Excellent in slush and on death cookies, so maybe that will counteract the fact that they're not quite as "groomer ZOOMER" as the skis I got them to replace.

I've read others here who have had issues with these skis if the tune is wrong. I was close to selling them, had become sort of mental about their behavior on hardpack, but after finally taking a 100 grit diamond stone to the base edges (shudder... With a guide, with a guide!) they are behaving.

Have no familiarity with the other ski. And early days with these. But I am starting to see why people refer to these as playful.


Are you saying the bases were 'high' in relation to the edges thereby not allowing the edge to bite unless it was laid way over?

post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Do you like to drive the ski or ride the ski? If you like to drive it, the Kastle, ride it, the K2. The K2 is deceptively easy but don't let that fool you, you can lay it over it it will come around nicely. The Kastle will want more of your attention when you are skiing it, and that investment  can be very rewarding. 

Definitely rather driving the ski - however will the Kastle be forgiving if I sit back and take it slower through the trees?
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Do you like to drive the ski or ride the ski? If you like to drive it, the Kastle, ride it, the K2. The K2 is deceptively easy but don't let that fool you, you can lay it over it it will come around nicely. The Kastle will want more of your attention when you are skiing it, and that investment  can be very rewarding. 

Definitely rather driving the ski - however will the Kastle be forgiving if I sit back and take it slower through the trees?

Sorry, we don't take Kastle MX83's through the trees. Do you take your 911 off roading? I don't think so, ;)

post #7 of 17

There are a couple of places in Southern Vermont that carry Kästles -- The Boot Pro in Ludlow has the best demo price ($35). I believe they carry the MX83.  Equipe Sports at Stratton (the village location) demos the MX line (the price is considerably higher).

post #8 of 17
Bases were flat. Edges had some kind of diagonal scoring lines across them and faint half moon markings. Also noticeable end marks to a side edge near the contact point. Also hanging burrs the whole length. Since the plastic didn't come off the ski until the tuner took it off, I don't know how much is them and how much was K2.

I was taking them to the tuning bench after every day and not getting many runs out of the day, but they finally seem good. They are home again for wax (normally would go to the locker) because I can still feel that new ski drag until the bases are all saturated. Been waxed maybe six times so far, since I waxed them every time I tweaked the edges.
post #9 of 17
Okay, after today, I can finally say, I LOVE THESE SKIS!!! Intense edge hold, impervious to chicken heads and death cookies, easy to turn. Never noticed any tip flap. If this keeps up, they may be (can't believe I'm saying this) the best skis I've ever had. Big claim I know, and maybe it's just the relief of the tune issue being cleared up and my fear of the things totally gone and I'll return to reality tomorrow, but I had a GREAT DAY, when everyone I've talked to HATED their day. I felt like telling them, that's because you're not using THESE SKIS!

/unhinged trumpeting of her own skis redface.gif
post #10 of 17
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Okay, after today, I can finally say, I LOVE THESE SKIS!!! Intense edge hold, impervious to chicken heads and death cookies, easy to turn. Never noticed any tip flap. If this keeps up, they may be (can't believe I'm saying this) the best skis I've ever had. Big claim I know, and maybe it's just the relief of the tune issue being cleared up and my fear of the things totally gone and I'll return to reality tomorrow, but I had a GREAT DAY, when everyone I've talked to HATED their day. I felt like telling them, that's because you're not using THESE SKIS!

/unhinged trumpeting of her own skis redface.gif


So I take it these aren't those noodly things they typically try to push on the ladies?

 

I also like some K2 offerings.   The 80 mm PE is still holding firm for me as my Mid Atlantic swiss army ski (hardpack, park, and bumps).  I probably only have about 40 days on it even though it is a 2005-2006 model. 

post #11 of 17
They're not women's skis. They are the K2 AMP Rictor 82 XTi in the topic title. Sibby is too big for women's skis.
post #12 of 17
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They're not women's skis. They are the K2 AMP Rictor 82 XTi in the topic title.


I know.  You know better than that hahaha..

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Okay, after today, I can finally say, I LOVE THESE SKIS!!! Intense edge hold, impervious to chicken heads and death cookies, easy to turn. Never noticed any tip flap. If this keeps up, they may be (can't believe I'm saying this) the best skis I've ever had. Big claim I know, and maybe it's just the relief of the tune issue being cleared up and my fear of the things totally gone and I'll return to reality tomorrow, but I had a GREAT DAY, when everyone I've talked to HATED their day. I felt like telling them, that's because you're not using THESE SKIS!

/unhinged trumpeting of her own skis redface.gif


Unpossible.. as a fellow rictor owner it's not possible that a mass market ski such as these can possible be as good as some boutique high end maker.. Just because you and I know these can be magic skis doesn't mean they could possibly be good..  I mean they're made in China, how good could they possibly be. Base tune on these suck.. once you get the wax into them and a good edge on them they're horrible.. no one could possibly enjoy these skis.

:beercheer:

Welcome to the ridiculed side... Bust the crud with not a care and carve like no one is watching.

post #14 of 17
Vermont north ski shop at sugarbush has a full line of Kaestle and dynastar for demos. They are just on the access road as you turn on to it. I loved the fx84 for New England conditions - a forgiving cruiser that isn't flustered by crud. more nimble than the dynastar power track 89 and a better carver. Although the dynastar is really well behaved in the powder and a pleasure. However I don't know how the dynastar would measure up against the fx 94.
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Do you like to drive the ski or ride the ski? If you like to drive it, the Kastle, ride it, the K2. The K2 is deceptively easy but don't let that fool you, you can lay it over it it will come around nicely. The Kastle will want more of your attention when you are skiing it, and that investment  can be very rewarding. 

Definitely rather driving the ski - however will the Kastle be forgiving if I sit back and take it slower through the trees?

Sorry, we don't take Kastle MX83's through the trees. Do you take your 911 off roading? I don't think so, ;)

 

While I don't take my MX83s through the trees, I do take them down mogul fields upon occasion.   The tail is a bit stiff for them, but they perform well.

 

I'm 5' 9" and 180 lbs, and have the MX83s in 173.  I think if I had to do it over again, I'd buy the MX88s just to get the Kastle MX series in 178.  Since you are a taller than me (5'11"), you might consider either the MX83 in 183 or the MX88 in 178.  

post #16 of 17
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While I don't take my MX83s through the trees, I do take them down mogul fields upon occasion.   The tail is a bit stiff for them, but they perform well.

I'm 5' 9" and 180 lbs, and have the MX83s in 173.  I think if I had to do it over again, I'd buy the MX88s just to get the Kastle MX series in 178.  Since you are a taller than me (5'11"), you might consider either the MX83 in 183 or the MX88 in 178.  

It's a bit late for that, I think.
post #17 of 17
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Definitely rather driving the ski - however will the Kastle be forgiving if I sit back and take it slower through the trees?


I've skied various Kastles in the trees, demoed a MX83 couple of years back, took it into some bumps (bit stiff in the tail, but did fine), not trees. My hunch is they'd be fine there too, as long as there wasn't much new snow. As Phil suggests, not their optimal terrain and kinda a waste of their potential. Also at your weight, you'd sink like a stone on an 83 in fresh powder.

 

Have not skied a K2 in years. But I'd guess they would be better for your needs. And then in a year or two, get something around 110 mm then take some lessons cuz trees don't allow a retry when you make a mistake. Good luck!

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