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Skier Type. Ambitioned?

post #1 of 21
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What does it mean to be an ambitious, or ambitioned (yes, that's really the term I saw) skier?  Is this somewhere in between intermediate and advanced, or advanced and expert?  I've seen this frequently when looking at skis online lately and am unsure of what it means.  Google doesn't seem to know either. 

post #2 of 21

Never seen that before. If its a particular ski models, post those and I'm sure someone could help you out.

 

In my mind it would seem that it is someone who will do everything they can to not fall into the category of terminal intermediate. Maybe they're not advanced or expert yet, but they have determined that they will do what it takes to get there. As far as skis go, maybe it is a ski that is reasonably forgiving, but will still respond and perform well as the inputs you give the ski become more powerful and precise.

post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by WayBeau View Post
 

What does it mean to be an ambitious, or ambitioned (yes, that's really the term I saw) skier?  Is this somewhere in between intermediate and advanced, or advanced and expert?  I've seen this frequently when looking at skis online lately and am unsure of what it means.  Google doesn't seem to know either. 

 

With which classification of ski is the term typically associated?

post #4 of 21

post links where you saw it

post #5 of 21
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post #6 of 21

Looks like they mean intermediate. 

post #7 of 21

I don't know...on Volkl it's between "Advanced" and "Professional."

 

But then on Atomic, there is no "intermediate" all. It goes right from beginner to advanced, and "ambitioned" after that. Who knows. It's whatever market segment the PR department thinks the term will most appeal to based on that segment's interpretation of their own skiing. :dunno Thumbs Down 

 

Maybe they saw the EpicSki "are you as good as you think you are" thread?

post #8 of 21

I'd say it is intended to mean: Intermediate who is hoping to improve, or is adventurous and will try to ski some trails/ zones that are slightly over their head in difficulty but they'll give'r a go!

post #9 of 21

If you look at the skis in those categories they seem to be skis that are forgiving enough that an intermediate who is working on their skills will do OK on them and get feedback and skis that have enough horsepower for an advanced skier to enjoy.

 

If you are an intermediate that skis a couple times a year and is happy just skidding down easy slopes with your friends (less ambitions), they have less demanding skis. 

 

These are like the executive training program, a lot more work than just being a regular employee but, for an ambitious person, it could yield rewards.

post #10 of 21

Sounds like they mean someone who's skills are not there yet, but who is willing to put up with less forgiveness in exchange for learning how to ski better and getting more performance out of the ski as opposed to an intermediate who isn't that keen on improving and who doesn't want to be punished by an unforgiving ski.

post #11 of 21
An unfortunate marketing term. An 'ambitious/ambitioned' skier to me is one who works actively on skiing more effectively. That would include WC racers, high level tech skiers, great park and free ride skiers, etc.,,
post #12 of 21
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An unfortunate marketing term. An 'ambitious/ambitioned' skier to me is one who works actively on skiing more effectively. That would include WC racers, high level tech skiers, great park and free ride skiers, etc.,,


Back in the good old days "ambitious/ambitioned" skier skied racing skis, on terrain they had no business being on; I was one of them:o.  Grade deflation?

post #13 of 21

Old categories on left, the ones you are now seeing on the right.

Is it just Volkl and Atomic using these?

 

--beginner                              --beginner

--intermediate                        --advanced

--advanced                            --ambitioned

--expert                                  --expert

 

Many intermediates in real life call themselves advanced skiers.

So it looks like grade inflation has happened as a result of this pervasive self-perception.

post #14 of 21

Hey!  You leave all that hoodwinking marketing alone!  If it wan't for such deceitful marketing, my 38" waist couldn't fit in size 33" pants.  Don't going screwing with my happiness.  

 

Remember, ignorance is bliss:duck: 

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

Old categories on left, the ones you are now seeing on the right.

Is it just Volkl and Atomic using these?

 

--beginner                              --beginner

--intermediate                        --advanced

--advanced                            --ambitioned

--expert                                  --expert

 

Many intermediates in real life call themselves advanced skiers.

So it looks like grade inflation has happened as a result of this pervasive self-perception.


Those were the two I looked at, so I'm not sure.

post #16 of 21
What if I used to be advanced, but don't have ambition?
post #17 of 21
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What if I used to be advanced, but don't have ambition?

Drift: Now we are really getting to the root of why we couldn't see eye to eye on the hydration/nutrition for a Big Day thread. wink.gif
post #18 of 21
No the root is that for me, big days happen without regard to what I had for breakfast.
post #19 of 21
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No the root is that for me, big days happen without regard to what I had for breakfast.
Just as "ambition" doesn't correlate to a skill level
post #20 of 21

On the Atomic site, there's a little pop-up info box that describes the terms. Seems to me that the "old" intermediate definition is now "advanced", and the "old" advanced is now "ambitious". I've transcribed it here :

 

...honesty is crucial when it comes to assessing your performance level:

 

Have you just started skiing, and are you looking for a ski which can help you make rapid progress while skiing at a moderate pace (beginner)?

 

Are you confident on easy to medium-difficulty descents on the piste or on unchallenging terrain, can you master simple tricks over small obstacles (advanced)?

 

Do you like to tackle tough descents on steep, icy, or heavily snow covered terrain or challenging Park and Pipe maneuvers (ambitious)?

 

Or do you have several years' experience at competition level and are you capable of mastering any challenging terrain at any speed (expert)?

post #21 of 21

I was sitting on the lift today with an instructor, and he mentioned that a snowboarder we were watching below us was ambitious.Of course, that may have had to do with the fact that he was gingerly picking his way down a slope that was mostly rock, rather than his skill level.

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