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MX83, Atomic Nomad Crimson - what length?

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What a forum! Been doing a lot of reading and lurking. As you can all see, I'm a noob here. I might still be confused after a 15 yr hiatus but here goes. I think I've narrowed my search for a new pair of skis down to 2. Given my size and ability I just assumed I would need the longest ones available but felt the need to get input from 'those-in-the-know'. Here's the details.

 

Where: 99% Mid Atlantic little hills and NE resorts but would like to be able to take them west for a week.

Ability: Advanced. Started water skiing at 5 and snow skiing around 8 or 9. Ex NSPS patroller and (ex) beer league racer.

Old Equipment: Atomic Arc SL (203cm), GS (210cm). Took 'em all over North America in all kinds of conditions and all kinds of front-side slopes and western back bowls (and liked it!) Used my GS's heli skiing in the Selkirk's. (worked up a good sweat that day!  Would not do that again!)

Age 55, 6'3", 180#, in good shape, haven't been on skis in 15 years.

Desires: 1. Something that will carve short to medium size turns and not have the tail lose it's grip when needed most. Something in between a SL and GS race ski from a turn perspective.

2. It would be nice if it could handle a wide range of front side conditions and if I found my self in a back bowl with broken powder, they would be serviceable, not spectacular, but serviceable. (subjective I know).

3. I'm speculating but I think the longitude flex would be a hair softer (and more even tip to tail) than a non-FIS SL or GS ski but not having been on a shaped ski, I could be wrong here. Torsional flex like a non-FIS SL ski would be nice. I'm expecting ice in forecast.

4. I do venture into moguls so as long as the tips and tails aren't too stiff, they'll be fine but this is lower on the tradeoff scale. I'm not looking for a mogul ski.

5. Coming from the full camber, long and skinny world, I'm thinking of staying in this realm but a very very (very!) modest tip rocker might be acceptable.

 

So back to my question, am I in the right ballpark as far my narrowed list of skis? If so, which length?

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Welcome. These are really different skis. The MX83 doesn't really come in a perfect size for you, 173 will be too short, the next length will be fairly long and long radius for a "wide range" of frontside conditions. But it might work. Cannot speak much to the Crimson. If I were you, I'd be looking at something like a Blizzard Brahma, or a Fischer Motive 86. 

 

And oh yeah, the obligatory: Work on a good pair of boots first. At a slopeside shop with a decent fitter. 

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Thanks. The Brahma and Motive (from their respective websites) appear to be 60/40 off-piste/on while I was trying to describe something that was more akin to 80/20 on-piste/off. Kinda like a defanged in-between SL/GS ski with an even flex pattern and a little width to it to add a hair of float while keeping torsional rigidity.

 

Does that ski exist?

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Thanks. The Brahma and Motive (from their respective websites) appear to be 60/40 off-piste/on while I was trying to describe something that was more akin to 80/20 on-piste/off. Kinda like a defanged in-between SL/GS ski with an even flex pattern and a little width to it to add a hair of float while keeping torsional rigidity.

Does that ski exist?

Except for the back bowl part.

Skis like the ones beyond mentions have plenty of torsional rigidity. That's what's new in the last ten years. But they aren't quick edge to edge like narrow skis. You need to demo some of those and then something like a Fire Arrow 76 or a Head Titan to see if you can live with the wider waist on hardpack.
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Except for the back bowl part.

Skis like the ones beyond mentions have plenty of torsional rigidity. That's what's new in the last ten years. But they aren't quick edge to edge like narrow skis. You need to demo some of those and then something like a Fire Arrow 76 or a Head Titan to see if you can live with the wider waist on hardpack.

Ok - maybe I was pushing it on the 'back bowl' part. A guy can ask can't he. Remember, I've been gone for 15 years.

 

I get it now. Physics. I will give up on the 1 ski idea and get one for what I anticipate will be an every day ski. For me that was always just a slalom ski. I would not want to give up edge to edge quickness, edge hold, tail snap, and springiness fun. Maybe I should be looking for a non FIS SL ski or a soft flex FIS slalom ski. I was hoping after all these years there would be some blending of technology that would provide the performance of slalom ski but let you cross a bridge to front side/Piste all around. I see a whole new direction in my research.

 

Thanks

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Originally Posted by ayde View Post
 

I was hoping after all these years there would be some blending of technology that would provide the performance of slalom ski but let you cross a bridge to front side/Piste all around. I see a whole new direction in my research.

There is. . . your experience and assumptions are dated. 

 

You need to feel it to understand - what you remember from buying skis 20+ years ago is not really relevant anymore.

 

You need to try some stuff and see what answers the question for you.  Maybe a front-side oriented carving ski like a Head Titan, Fire Arrow 76/84, Fischer Progressor, or any other number of excellent skis.  Something like that might answer all of your needs and be sufficient for the 20% off piste you do on a western trip.  Or, maybe a mid-80s all mountain ski like a Motive 86, Brahma, Head Rev 85, Kendo.  Something like that might be sufficient for your on-piste skiing at home and more versatile to travel with.  Or maybe a FIS slalom ski, just because you like it and you can find them used for cheap. 

 

Without trying some modern stuff, it is pretty hard to get recommendations because you have neither context nor modern vocabulary for understanding the performance attributes or the various shapes and categories.  There are more options now, which is a good thing.  There are still trade-offs, but in each category of skis across the spectrum the performance envelop is pretty wide, most skis are very versatile if you can ski them.

post #7 of 8

177 atomic crimsons, have em love em great grip

anything more than a couple inches of new i turn to my vantage rituals

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Originally Posted by LewyM View Post
 

There is. . . your experience and assumptions are dated. 

 

You need to feel it to understand - what you remember from buying skis 20+ years ago is not really relevant anymore.

 

You need to try some stuff and see what answers the question for you.  Maybe a front-side oriented carving ski like a Head Titan, Fire Arrow 76/84, Fischer Progressor, or any other number of excellent skis.  Something like that might answer all of your needs and be sufficient for the 20% off piste you do on a western trip.  Or, maybe a mid-80s all mountain ski like a Motive 86, Brahma, Head Rev 85, Kendo.  Something like that might be sufficient for your on-piste skiing at home and more versatile to travel with.  Or maybe a FIS slalom ski, just because you like it and you can find them used for cheap. 

 

Without trying some modern stuff, it is pretty hard to get recommendations because you have neither context nor modern vocabulary for understanding the performance attributes or the various shapes and categories.  There are more options now, which is a good thing.  There are still trade-offs, but in each category of skis across the spectrum the performance envelop is pretty wide, most skis are very versatile if you can ski them.


Thanks Lewy - I agree with everything you said. I really do need to just try 'em.

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