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How do Knee bindings ski?

post #1 of 10
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Someone told me knee bindings would ski differently than say, something like a Marker Griffon. If so, how? Either would be mounted flat. Thanks.

post #2 of 10
Personally, I don't think bindings are going to impact how you ski, assuming a similar weight of binding. In other words, a heavier binding like a demo binding may impact your impression of the ski's weight, but beyond that? Most of us just want to hold the skis on, while having them release only when they need to.

By the way, use the search here and there's a number of existing threads about this binding, which has generated a lot of controversy here. It's like a red flag for some reason.
post #3 of 10
There shouldnt be a huge difference between bindings as long as the ramp angle is the same, and the torsional stiffness is the same.
They pass DIN standards, so I wouldn't worry about them. People on here, and in general, believe some pretty crazy stuff in regards to bindings.
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

There shouldnt be a huge difference between bindings as long as the ramp angle is the same, and the torsional stiffness is the same.
They pass DIN standards, so I wouldn't worry about them. People on here, and in general, believe some pretty crazy stuff in regards to bindings.

So, the answer is yes. The skiability of the Kneebinding is good, a bit heavy, but it is a fairly torsional rigid binding. 

post #5 of 10

I don't think you'll notice anything. They are a bit taller than some, and come with toe shims to even out the ramp if you want. I've tried them and they ski pretty much like ski bindings.

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This is anecdotal, I've never tried them.  I was in an alignment clinic  last month where the coaches used shims to make temporary under boot adjustments to cant you if the assessment indicated something, later they put everyone out of alignment to show you how that felt.

 

Anyway one person had Kneebindings and was never able to keep the shims in place, in 100% of the tests she ended up losing all shims.  Only a couple additional shims throughout the rest of the group came out. Granted there could a lot of reasons for losing the shims. worn boot soles?  Who knows what else.  I just wondered if there was more "slop" in the binding? 

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Originally Posted by skier_j View Post
 

This is anecdotal, I've never tried them.  I was in an alignment clinic  last month where the coaches used shims to make temporary under boot adjustments to cant you if the assessment indicated something, later they put everyone out of alignment to show you how that felt.

 

Anyway one person had Kneebindings and was never able to keep the shims in place, in 100% of the tests she ended up losing all shims.  Only a couple additional shims throughout the rest of the group came out. Granted there could a lot of reasons for losing the shims. worn boot soles?  Who knows what else.  I just wondered if there was more "slop" in the binding? 

There is a toe height adjustment on the KB..chances are it was never adjusted correctly..or not at all. 

post #8 of 10

Thanks Phil, I figured there would be other factors.

 

Just relaying an observation. 

post #9 of 10

I have the Knee binding on my new Kendo's. They ski exactly like my 2011 Kendos with Salomon Z12Ti bindings.

 

I don't understand why some people are so negative about this binding.

 

They are a little bit heavier then the Z12Ti. But once you step into them that goes away. They are also a little taller, again, when you step into them, I have learned to stump into them they feel like any other binding.

 

I have taken some decent size air landing into ungroomed snow and have not had any issues with the Knee binding. I ski as fast as I dare, drop my hip in the turn at high speed on the groomers and ski the whole mountain, The binding works great and I feel better knowing my ACL's will be safer.

 

Get them if your worried about tearing a ACL, that's why I got them. I ski buddy tore his ACL just skiing easy with the family, marker binding. He and I ski a like. Because he had a slow speed fall and what happened, is what convinced me it was a better way to go.  

 

The engineering says it works.

post #10 of 10

I stepped up to the KB Carbons last season.  Previously on Look Pivots. 

 

Although the pure lateral release is the most notable feature, several performance features distinguish the KBs.  They provide a wide based, free flex mount which gives great leverage on wide skis and allows the ski to flex as they were designed unimpeded by the bindings.  They have a few mm extra rise and an adjustable ramp angle. 

 

I am really pleased with the feel and fast response of the KB Carbons on my 98mm waisted skis.  Top rate performer.  

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