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Wide feet, high instep, high arches

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hello, guys,

 

I am skiing instructor and a person who loves skiing but unfortunately I hate ski boots. Since now I have never skied in ski boots made by boot-fitter, but last week I went to London to Surefoot and made my first pair of custom ski boots. I would like to say that it was great experience and guys there were very helpful. They used Head Adaptedge 110 boots, worked with outer shell to accommodate my wide feet (119 and 121 mm) with high insteps and high arches. Than custom insoles and foam liners were also made for me. I have skied in my new boots for three days but I am not happy at all. In all my previous boots (last ones were Atomic B-tech 110) I have had the same problem as in these new boots - after 30 - 40 minutes in ski boots numbness starts to appear under balls of my feet and when I continue to ski it grows in to unbearable pain and cramping later. In my new boots I don't have any pressure on the instep and they are wide enough for my wide feet. 

 

Below are pictures of my feet and also Surefoot guys told me that my Achilles tendons are not very flexible. I am 195 cm and 105 kg guy, I like to ski aggressively but I also spend up to 10 hours a day doing snow-plow and standing around with my clients.

 

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I would really appreciate some opinions on options how my problem can be solved as it is not easy and cheap for me to go back to Surefoot shop.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Janis 

post #2 of 24
Thread Starter 

My boots are size 29,5

post #3 of 24

Your boots are 29.5----What length are your feet in cm/mondo?

 

If you have a tight Achilles, was anything done to accommodate this problem?

 

mike

post #4 of 24

do you have any way of getting rid of the numbness, other then removing the boots?

 

Do you get this with any other sports or activities?   only skiing?


is it the same if you are skiing, or standing?

 

calf size at the top of the boot?

 

sounds like more of a stance thing, then shape thing, (or maybe a calf size)   

 

have you tried a 5mm heel lift, under the footbed?

 

post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 

Guys,

 

Thank you a lot for your answers/questions. My answers below in italic. 

 

do you have any way of getting rid of the numbness, other then removing the boots? No, the only thing that helps is to take off boots, than pain goes away instantly.

 

Do you get this with any other sports or activities?   only skiing? I have similar problems in snowboard boots but haven't had any problems in any other shoes.


is it the same if you are skiing, or standing? As I mostly work on short slopes with kids I stand around most of the time, when I ski it gets a bit better but still it is hard to be in boots for more than an hour. Also these HEAD Adaptedge boots feel much too soft for me.

 

calf size at the top of the boot? My calves are not too big, I assume that it isn't the problem.

 

sounds like more of a stance thing, then shape thing, (or maybe a calf size)   My calves are not too big, I assume that it isn't the problem.

 

have you tried a 5mm heel lift, under the footbed? - No I haven't tried to do that, can you suggest me how to do that if I can do that my self?!

 

Your boots are 29.5----What length are your feet in cm/mondo? - My feet are 29,2 cm.

 

If you have a tight Achilles, was anything done to accommodate this problem? - ​Mostly work was done on widening boots and grinding down base plate to accommodate high instep, than custom insoles were made and foam liners C1.  

post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by janiszagars View Post
 

Guys,

 

Thank you a lot for your answers/questions. My answers below in italic. 

 

boots are 29.5----What length are your feet in cm/mondo? - My feet are 29,2 cm.----Boots might be too big?   shell check please.

 

If you have a tight Achilles, was anything done to accommodate this problem? - ​Mostly work was done on widening boots and grinding down base plate to accommodate high instep, than custom insoles were made and foam liners C1. grinding down the boot board may have dropped your heels somewhat, if they changed the angle----this along with a tight Achilles would have increased pressure on the forefoot.  better to stretch the shell upward over the instep or remove padding from the tongue.

my answers in bold

 

so---- measure your calves at the top of the liner for us please.

 

mike

post #7 of 24

Agree with Mike.  Sounds like a tight Achilles problem, made worse by decreasing boot ramp angle.  Lack of foot flexion overloads the foot at the balls-of-the-feet causing burning underneath.  It is possible to reduce instep pressure by grinding the tongue or with Mike's suggestions.  try putting a heel lift in as an experiment.  If it doesn't substantially increase instep pressure and pain goes away it will confirm tight Achilles problem.

 

Lou

post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks, I will measure my calf and put heel lift in boots and let you know what are the results. 

post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 

Guys, wanted to ask also what is your opinion about HEAD Adaptedge 110 boots for me? Excluding my problems with balls of feet these boots overall feel to soft and spacious for me. I generally like to ski in stiff boots and do it aggressively but in Surefoot it was said to me that it won't be possible to accommodate my wide and high feet in stiffer and tighter boots when maintaining all day comfort!?

post #10 of 24

the edge 110 is IMO too soft for you at your height and weight, it is a very high volume boots, i can see a few potential things that could be happening

 

1 calf muscle/Achilles very tight, this loads the ball of foot

2 boot too soft so when you flex you are collapsing through it and exaggerating the above

3 footbed not spreading the load over the whole of your foot properly

4 some feet just don't like a foam liner

 

difficult to tell for sure from the pictures as to what the precise cause is, have you done a shell check to see how much space there is in the shell, the edge runs very long so might be a bit big nd be having the space taken up with foam 

 

as for boots which are higher performance and wide, if you need a size 29 then the edge is approx 108mm wide in that size, only 2mm wider than something like the Atomic Hawx 130 or 1mm wider than a head Vector 125..so whatever boot it is it would probably need some stretching work to the shell.. my money would go on the hawx as it can be made more upright (13 degrees forward lean) which can help with the calf and then have the heel lift, but as i said speculation without seeing the foot

post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
CEM,

Thank you for answer. I discused this issue with my boot fitter, he said that he choosed HEAD boots because of my high instep, do you think that Atomic boots will fit me also over instep?
post #12 of 24

not seen your foot, but there is not a massive amount of difference in instep height between a Hawx and an Edge, and the difference that is there should be able to be modified with the correct tools assuming your fitter has them

 

it is more about volume around the mid foot/rear foot the hawx for example is just a slimmer fit in that part

 

that is not to say there isn't a better boot for you, we don't have your feet in front of us, but those were examples of what is out there in stiffer flexes more appropriate to your body weight

post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hello guys,

I just finished my weekend working and it is nightmare to ski and work in Head Adaptedge boots that were made for me. Balls of my feet are killing me, I even did try to put 5mm heel lift in boots as suggested, it helped a bit but didn't solve the issue. When I tried to compensate forward lean by standing more upright it helped a bit but I get extremely tired very fast. My boot fitter said that he thinks that lifting up toes of my boots could help but somehow I have a feeling that it won't. I have skied in different boots over years and no matter what boots I ski in I always have the same problem - balls of my feet start to hurt after first 30 min. I don't have any problems in any other shoes. Maybe you have some other suggestion, what should I try?
post #14 of 24
Do you have large calves---if so what is the circumference of your calf at the top of the liner?
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
Miketsc,

My calves are 36 cm around just where liner ends.

Thanks!
post #16 of 24
What size boots?

In a seated position with your heels on the floor, how far can you lift your fore foot off the floor--measure in cm---this is called dorsiflexion---an indication of how far your knee could move forward over your foot.

Mike
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

Mike,

 

My feet are 293 mm long, boots are size 29,5.

 

I can lift my feet for aprox. 1.8 - 2.2 cm 

 

 

Here are some other pictures that were asked by boot fitter:
 

How much I can lean forward just before my heels start to lift off the ground:

 

 

How much I can point my fingers downward when sitting:

 

post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by janiszagars View Post
 

Mike,

 

My feet are 293 mm long, boots are size 29,5.

 

I can lift my feet for aprox. 1.8 - 2.2 cm 

 

 

Here are some other pictures that were asked by boot fitter:
 

How much I can lean forward just before my heels start to lift off the ground:

 

 

How much I can point my fingers downward when sitting:

 

 

At 2.2cm I think you have limited dorsiflexion (first picture)----which would pressure your forefoot and cause your problems.  Heel lift in order.

 

place one of your boots heels against a wall and measure to the back of the liner at the top of the back of the shell .  This will give us the amount of forward lean your boots have,

 

mike

 

 

 

 

post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 

Mike,

 

Thanks will do just that latter and let you know!

 

Janis

post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 

Mike,

 

Below you will find pictures with measurements, hope that helps to understand how big is my forward lean. I did put 5 mm heel lift in the boots it helped a bit but the pain was still there. 

 

 

When standing upwards, not leaning on boots, weight on heel and on balls of feet:

 

 

When leaning on boots, heel almost starts to lift up:

 

 

 

Let me know if there are any other measurement that I can make to help you understand!

 

Thenks!

 

Janis

post #21 of 24

definitely some limitation on the ankle joint dorsiflexion, based on the pictures, you seem to be stood with feet turned out a bit to flex the ankle forward, what happens when you keep the feet parallel and pointing straight ahead...does it become harder to do?

post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hello guys, 

 

As you will see there has been a lot of discussion above about my issue, but as I still have my problems, I wanted to continue this discussion:

 

I would like to hear your opinion about my ski-boots issue. I am skiing instructor who have never had comfortable boots. Last year I did boot fitting in Surefoot London, but at the end after two visits they were not able to help me and did a refund, we tried HEAD Adaptedge 90 (too soft) and Lange RX130 (not enough volume). Problem is that I have a very wide feet with high insteps. In any bots that I have tried balls of my feet get numb after 30 - 40 minutes and start aching. Surefoot did custom insoles twice that were thrown away as my arches (very high) were aching unbearably. At the end I bought Atomic LiveFit 130 boots that are spacious enough for my feet (couldn't fit in any other boots) and use them with Scholl gel insoles, but balls of my feet still hurt. I have tried to lift up heels in my boots, that helped a little but reduced volume of the boot.


I hope that you may have some ideas for solution, as I could go to London but after two visits with Surefoot, I am not sure that it's worth the travel expenses!

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Janis

post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 

Anyone?! :)

post #24 of 24

sometimes it is not the tools which need adjusting but the workman!, adding an heel lift, using an upright boot and a good footbed should alleviate MOST problems, BUT the problem still remains

.....again this is difficult without actually having the foot in front of me, but my guess is you need to release the fascia which is causing the muscles to be short, where are you based that you were travelling to Surefoot London, i am 1 hour north of london if that helps... that said at this point in the season we have a 2-3 week wait for an appointment and have an ever decreasing boot stock

 

the edge is not the most upright boot on the market by a long way and unless the spoiler plate was removed and the cuff flared will probably be just exaggerating the issues, what would i use? no idea without seeing the foot but whatever it is it needs to be in combination with a stretching and myofascial release program

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