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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Ok, my demo list is currently at 1:  Blizzard Brahma.

 

From what I can gather this ski is reasonably damp.  Are there any other skis in this category that are worth considering?  I'm looking for a ~85-90mm all mountain ski for general all mountain use (frontside and backside) with hard snow capabilities.  If the snow is really deep I have powder skis so I don't care too much about float.  A few groomers, a few bumps, a few trees.  Just skiing around the mountain.

 

I don't like light stiff snappy skis.  I like damp smooth skis.  I like metal (or reasonable facsimile thereof).  I like my El Capo's.  I could ski them most days but I think I'd also like something a bunch narrower.

 

6'2", 240 pounds, busted up knee & out of shape but advanced skier (i.e. lots and lots of ski days in the mountains, but not a true pro expert).  Try to ski smoothly.  Mostly ski the Canadian Rockies with excursions to Montana and Idaho to seek powder and cheap beer.

 

Any suggestions for demo would be much appreciated!  

 

Bruce

post #2 of 25
Kastle Mx88. Still the ski to beat in the 88 width category.
post #3 of 25

Fischer Motive 86

post #4 of 25

Try to see if you can demo a K2 Amp Rictor 82xti..   They get a lot of crap here cause they're mass market, made in china etc etc etc..  The few people i know that have them love em..  and damp is what they do.. it's very good on my worn knees as well.

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by WheatKing View Post
 

Try to see if you can demo a K2 Amp Rictor 82xti..   They get a lot of crap here cause they're mass market, made in china etc etc etc..  The few people i know that have them love em..  and damp is what they do.. it's very good on my worn knees as well.

 

Worn knees.  Exactly.  I find that some skis transmit too much energy/vibration/chatter to my knees, whereas some damp smooth skis make the world under my feet feel like a magical land of fluffy clouds and happy unicorns.

 

Example:  Atomic Ritual.  I liked the shape but not the construction.  But I could feel every little shock and it went straight to my knee ouch. 

 

Regarding K2: I loved the damp feel of the (wider) Sidestash.  I could ski that all day in any conditions with no pain or discomfort

post #6 of 25

kastle FX94

post #7 of 25

Kastle MX88, as mentioned above.  That would be my pick of skis along the lines of your description, although you need some $$$.  My notes for the 178cm ski are as follows:

 

This remains, in my opinion (and that of quite a few others), the best consumer-level ski on the market in this width category, i.e. skis with a mid-to-high-80mm width underfoot.  Most skis in this category include some degree of early rise tip, and some go so far as to include early rise in the tail.  This ski has neither.  They’re a wood core, double-titanal, sandwich construction ski with rubber damping layers, standard camber, a flat tail and a high quality fit and finish.

 

On the snow the MX88 has a stable, smooth, relatively damp feel, whilst also providing terrific feel for the engagement of your edge and the snow underfoot.  They’re both damp and alive at the same time; a neat trick.  They’ll comfortably pull big, high-load GS turns, are entirely capable in shorter, tighter turns, and they’re as quick from edge to edge as anything in this width.

 

I already own the MX78.  I thought that precluded me from owning the MX88.  I was wrong.  Both work nicely for Australian conditions, but the wider MX88 would be a better (perhaps the best) choice for overseas trips.

 

The FX94 is a very good ski.  Slightly lighter and livelier in feel than the MX88.  My notes again for the 176cm ski:

 

This year Kastle has increased the weight of metal in this model – moving from two layers of 0.3mm titanal to dual 0.4mm layers.  They've also introduced subtle early rise in the tip and removed the Hollowtech insert from the tail of the ski.  The changes should change the dynamics of the ski noticeably, but not materially.

 

On the snow these feel a little more light and lively than the MX88.  Despite measuring only 2cm shorter they feel noticeably shorter as well.  The early rise in the tip helps in crud, bumps and softer snow, and the slightly turned up, rounded tail helps facilitate release in those same conditions.  Both aspects of the design contribute to the slightly shorter feel on the snow.

 

So, benchmarking off the MX88, these are: a little bit lighter in feel, a bit more lively, easier to pivot and break out of a carved turn, a little slower from edge to edge, but with similar levels of grip and stability.  You don’t feel the engagement of the ski’s edge quite the same way as you do with the 88s.  They don't pull you into a turn as the 88s do; you have to position the ski to initiate each turn. They still have a high level of overall grip, but the feel is a little lighter.

 

Volkl's Kendo is along a similar line as the MX88, although it too is a little less damp.  Terrific ski.

 

The Elan Amphibio 88Xti is well and truly in your direction, having a damp and solid feel.  It's well worth a try.  Read up on the Amphibio treatment though so you know what you're buying.

 

I like the Rossi Experience 88, although opinions vary on that one.  It feels damp until you really get it to flex, and then it seems to spring to life.

 

The Brahma has been heavily reviewed.  We don't see them much down here, although I've demoed one in 173.  That's at least one, and maybe two sizes short for me, so not a true indication.

 

When you're talking damp and stable, the Head line of skis is usually in the mix.  The Rev 85 Pro should be considered.  I also demoed the Rev 90 last winter and that was a fun, shapely all rounder that I'd happily own (or rent for a week or two).

 

Best of luck.


Edited by sinbad7 - 1/28/15 at 2:11pm
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone, some really good suggestions that I hadn't even considered.  I rarely see any Elan skis around here so I'll have to see if I can find one to demo.  Sadly, there was a pair of MX88's sitting for sale at the local shop this fall.  All alone in the corner for $400.  I didn't know much about them, and ignored them.  Silly me!

 

Thanks again, now I just need to do the snow dance and get some fresh snow around here!

post #9 of 25
Bruce, besides the excellent suggestion of the MX 88, I'd suggest a Rev 85 pro with a Head race plate for a guy your size. 184 for sure.
post #10 of 25
The SR88--the most damp and smooth skis I've ever been on, but is still resilient and got nice edge-hold. It's a very different breed from the MX88, which I didn't enjoy. With more than enough race skis in my quiver, I don't want my fat skis to be stiff...having said that, I'm way lighter than the OP, so the MX88 may work out for you.
post #11 of 25

Kastle, Stockli, Head, K2, Elan ... no one likes Fischer anymore?


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plate

 

Why don't more people suggest this?   Heck even an old Salomon 2-composition carving plate can totally soak up knee-ouch vibration.

post #12 of 25
Thread Starter 

Damn.  Clever suggestions.  Never even thought about plates with magical anti-vibration properties.  I'll see if I can source a pair made from Vibranium.  Just like Captain America's shield :)

post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by CanmoreBruce View Post
 

 

6'2", 240 pounds, busted up knee & out of shape but advanced skier (i.e. lots and lots of ski days in the mountains, but not a true pro expert).  Try to ski smoothly.  Mostly ski the Canadian Rockies with excursions to Montana and Idaho to seek powder and cheap beer.

 

Any suggestions for demo would be much appreciated! 

Of the skis described above, I would caution you about the MX 88 if you have bad knees. I owned one for 3 seasons, there was much about it that I loved, but, at the end of a ski day, my knees ached, and, I do not have bad knees. It is a serious ski best used by accomplished skiers. 

post #14 of 25
If you have the $, yep the MX88's. I have seriously bad knees, not an issue. But for less $, the Head REV85's also are damp all-arounds. Cannot speak to the Richtors except that reportedly they are very damp, but I worry they may not be quite enough ski for someone your size. Fischers are wonderful skis but more on the lively side, so don't hit a main criterion. The older Stockli VXL would also be worth a look if you can find one.

Couple of other ideas: Not all plates make a ski damper. But look for ones with elastomer or rubber. And bindings can help. Look for models with a lot of elasticity to absorb and recenter. Looks and Salomons come to mind. Marker, not so much.
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

The SR88--the most damp and smooth skis I've ever been on, but is still resilient and got nice edge-hold.

 

Yep, forgot about Stockli.  They definitely come into the mix with the OP's stated criteria.

post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post

Yep, forgot about Stockli.  They definitely come into the mix with the OP's stated criteria.

Even if they kill the pocket book? smile.gif
post #17 of 25
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Even if they kill the pocket book? smile.gif

 

Yeah, they'll do that if you're buying new.  On the other hand my ski buying technique is more 'lurk and pounce'.  A decent second hand or demo pair of VXLs, or even something more recent, might pop up somewhere.

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

The SR88--the most damp and smooth skis I've ever been on, but is still resilient and got nice edge-hold. It's a very different breed from the MX88, which I didn't enjoy. With more than enough race skis in my quiver, I don't want my fat skis to be stiff...having said that, I'm way lighter than the OP, so the MX88 may work out for you.

 

This would be the easiest ski on the knees I can think of. Just a ski that you can rack up endless vert with but still with plenty of performance at your command. Capable but friendly. So smooth and damp it'll redefine snowfeel on skis. The only question is if you would overpower them at your weight.

 

Another damp but much stiffer ski that was really awesome was the Salomon X-Drive 8.8 FS. A very different feel but still damp and smooth. The extra stiffness and torsional rigidity of the x-drive system might support your size better. I encourage a demo! Both have great edgehold!

post #19 of 25

Line Supernatural

Line Sick Day

K2 Rictor 90

post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by cc1 View Post
 

K2 Rictor 90

 

That would rise toward the top of my list if I wanted "easy on the knees" as a priority.  Very forgiving ski which tends to engage the edge progressively, without the abrupt 'on/off' feel of some others.

post #21 of 25

6'2"..240...he is a big boy and needs something in at least in the 180's...and the MX88 in a 178, as food of a ski as it is just won't be enough..and the 188 is just disproportionate. The fore mentioned Amp 90 is a good choice and even the FX94 in the 186 is in the conversation. @Lemon Zest did also bring up the Salomon 8.8, that was a surprise of the show for me last year, a very good ski. But with any of these skis, don't consider any under 180cm..they just won't be enough to hold up your big frame.  

post #22 of 25
Hey.

I have a pair of 2012 Stockli SR. 95s in 183 with Griffons used maybe twice if you are interested.

I am about the same size (6'2", 230)

No idea what the consensus would be on these for your needs, but they might be what you are looking for.

I have found that I use my VXL and Laser SX for 95% of my skiing these days so this one hasn't been getting any use.

PM me if you have an interest. I'm in Vancouver.
post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

...don't consider any under 180cm..they just won't be enough to hold up your big frame.  

I never look at anything small!  Shortest skis I ever owned were Dynastar Contact 4x4 in a 178cm but for anything 'all mountain' I look at 185-190.  Like many folks in these parts I skied surplus 190cm Volkl Explosives for years with no complaints.  Never felt like a big ski until the bumps got steep and tight.

 

I'll head into the mighty metropolis of Banff on the weekend, see if they have any of the previously mentioned models available. 


Edited by CanmoreBruce - 1/29/15 at 7:20pm
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Tristram View Post

Hey.

I have a pair of 2012 Stockli SR. 95s in 183 with Griffons used maybe twice if you are interested.

I am about the same size (6'2", 230)

No idea what the consensus would be on these for your needs, but they might be what you are looking for.

I have found that I use my VXL and Laser SX for 95% of my skiing these days so this one hasn't been getting any use.

PM me if you have an interest. I'm in Vancouver.

Great damp skis...all Stockli's I have demoed and currently own have that unique damp/smooth/resilient feeling in varying degrees. They are outside the OP's parameters of 85-90mm, but worth considering nonetheless.

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by CanmoreBruce View Post
 

Ok, my demo list is currently at 1:  Blizzard Brahma.

 

From what I can gather this ski is reasonably damp.  Are there any other skis in this category that are worth considering?  I'm looking for a ~85-90mm all mountain ski for general all mountain use (frontside and backside) with hard snow capabilities.  If the snow is really deep I have powder skis so I don't care too much about float.  A few groomers, a few bumps, a few trees.  Just skiing around the mountain.

 

I don't like light stiff snappy skis.  I like damp smooth skis.  I like metal (or reasonable facsimile thereof).  I like my El Capo's.  I could ski them most days but I think I'd also like something a bunch narrower.

 

6'2", 240 pounds, busted up knee & out of shape but advanced skier (i.e. lots and lots of ski days in the mountains, but not a true pro expert).  Try to ski smoothly.  Mostly ski the Canadian Rockies with excursions to Montana and Idaho to seek powder and cheap beer.

 

Any suggestions for demo would be much appreciated!  

 

Bruce

Hey Bruce! I'm an El Capo fan too!

Brahma: It is a nice ski but I consider them medium damp...

The problem I found lately is that there is a trend about light skis right now so goodbye damp skis!

 

My best skis in term of dampness are my M-Power 8.7 fs...

Then, there is the M-Power 8.5 fs; a little less but more snappy

Then the Magnum 8.5: a real high performance all mountain ski with great edge grip!

They all are models that are not produced anymore but still for sale on the web; even new ones!

Any skis  you take in Blizzard with the full suspension (fs) will be damp!

 

In Nordica: the Fire Arrow edt is very damp...

Stockli laser sx; 

kastle mx83 and 88 but don't consider the 88 a nice carver...

Atomic Crimson ti or Temper ti

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