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New skis afetr Volkl S5 Supersport

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I 've been ski on Volkl S5 since 2007 and looking to buy new pair. East US parts , groomed runs, I'm 5'11 175 lbs, very good shape, aggressive, fast skiing style, im thinking about Kastle mX83 or Nordica Fire Arrrow 84  EDT  . My question is -my recent ski is 168 cm - should i go with longer ( 173 Kastle, 176 Nordica) or go with same length as Volkl? What would i gain going with longer skis ? Thanks in advance. 

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Welcome to Epic. I have no experience with the MX83 but I've have skied the Fire Arrows and it is my favorite frontside ski. I've tried the 168 and loved it and also spent two full days on the 176 version. I'm only 5'7" so the 168 suits me better but I had no trouble with the 176, it just required a bit more effort(largely mental I think) so I didn't buy them from the guy who was selling them. The FA is a great ski, absolutely no speed limit, very quick edge to edge, great in crud, exceptional rebound, more edge grip than just about any ski I've ever tried and it has just enough early rise to make it usable in up to about 6" of powder. I even skied the 176 in the trees at Bridger Bowl and while the first few turns were a bit scary after that I had a ball, but the snow was not deep mostly, maybe 10" in places. But that performance comes with a price and the price is that you can't just snooze and cruise or it will kick you butt. You have to seriously drive it all the time. It rewards good technique and punishes bad technique. At your height I would definitely recommend you get the 176. What you mostly get at the longer length is better stability. I'm short enough that the added length doesn't really get me anything. Also, because there is a little bit of early rise it will ski a bit shorter, more like a 174.

Nordica is adding an 80mm version this year and I am anxious to get on it next week at Copper Mountain because if it skis like the 84 it will be my next frontside ski.
Edited by mtcyclist - 1/25/15 at 2:34pm
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Thank you,mtcyclist for taking the time to write this post. That is what I was looking for on this forum- real opinion from advanced -expert  skier who skied these skis to help me make my choice before I spend my money on quality equipment. For some reason-in my area I see mostly Rossignols and Atomic so hard to ask someone and no ski demos.  Thanks again. 

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I 've been ski on Volkl S5 since 2007 and looking to buy new pair. East US parts , groomed runs, I'm 5'11 175 lbs, very good shape, aggressive, fast skiing style, im thinking about Kastle mX83 or Nordica Fire Arrrow 84  EDT  . My question is -my recent ski is 168 cm - should i go with longer ( 173 Kastle, 176 Nordica) or go with same length as Volkl? What would i gain going with longer skis ? Thanks in advance. 

 

When the Volkl T50 Supersport Five Star came out there was nothing else on the market quite like it.  Massive edge grip on firm snow and a nice tight turning radius allowed you to effortlessly  slice railroad track arcs across the groomers while being wide enough to float in fresh.  A year or two later they renamed it the S5, but it was basically the same ski.

 

Since then, just about all the other brands have engineered skis that perform as well or better, so the good news is that there is a lot to choose from.  The bad news is that it may take some time to sort through all the options. The standard advice is to demo.  These forums are good for making a list of prospective demos, but you really owe it to yourself to try it yourself before you buy.  Take a look at

http://www.onthesnow.com/gear/g/45/2015-men-s-frontside-ski-buyers--guide for some candidate skis.  That list is not exhaustive.

 

To answer your question about length, a longer ski will be more stable at speed and chatter less. It will also give you a bit more float  in fresh snow and power through crud better.  A shorter ski will be more nimble, easier to turn, and have a shorter turn radius.  I'm the same size.

 

BTW, I demoed a bunch of skis yesterday (Dynastar Course Pro, Volkl Code, Blizzard X-Power 770 and 810, Nordica Fire Arrow 74 and, Head Rally ) and hope to write a short review later today.  I think any of these would make for a good replacement for the five star, which one would  depend on which characteristics of the five star you favor most.  I'd say the Fire Arrow reminded me of the five star the most out of all of them.

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Thank you,Walt for your post. I'll look forward to read your review about skis you've demoed. 

 

Marioi

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I'd been on the S5 (175cm) since 2007 as well (am in my 40's, 6'2" 200lbs and a solid intermediate) and recently bought the Rossignol Experience 84 (177cm). It's amazing how well they carve on hardpack, I don't think I gave up any groomer carving performance at all and they're just as lively as the S5 with good speed stability (all that I need, at least).

 

You should probably try to demo the Rossi 88, would be good for an advanced skier and an excellent move from the 5 Star/S5.

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