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post #91 of 117
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A ski that he did like was the Salomon Sentinel but also the Rocker2 100 and I think there are a few other Salomons that he was partial to, with him being French, he might be partial to the French skis too. 

post #92 of 117
Well he gave it a 3 out of 10, but to balance all the high scores he devalued his own judgement and gave it a 1. So he's playing in the Band.

I love how this horribly translated review, ("spatula"?), has somehow acquired the gravitas of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Magna Carta.
Simply because it's negative, it's truthful.

When the Rosetta Stone of reviews shows up we'll finally be able to settle things once and for all.

In other news, "water" was kind of discovered on Mars this week.
post #93 of 117
By "spatula" he means the tip of the ski...
post #94 of 117
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Well he gave it a 3 out of 10, but to balance all the high scores he devalued his own judgement and gave it a 1. So he's playing in the Band.

I love how this horribly translated review, ("spatula"?), has somehow acquired the gravitas of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Magna Carta.
Simply because it's negative, it's truthful.

When the Rosetta Stone of reviews shows up we'll finally be able to settle things once and for all.

In other news, "water" was kind of discovered on Mars this week.

I find a much greater value in a negative review then in a positif one for as long as it is not commercially or emotionally "pregnant" and it comes from a neutral source that stays outside the chorus singing the song of praise. Most of his observations have also been my own for a long time, but since I only see 9 or 10 out of 10 around the Internet space I almost started thinking that it was an operator's mistake from my part and everyone else is right. Now I'm not so sure about it...
post #95 of 117
Just a quick comment on this terrible first world dilemma... I've never really 'gotten' the Bonafide and Brahma myself, but to say it's a 1 or 3 out of 10 is pretty silly as well. And no, I don't like negative reviews for the sake of being negative. I can tell anyone here specifically what I don't like about the Bonafide, but it doesn't make a lot of sense unless I say what other skis I do like and why. We all have our biases, and that's ok so long as they aren't driven by financial interest in selling a particular line of skis.

IMHO, while a particular ski might not work for me (Bonafide, Soul 7 for example), my thoughts on a ski certainly doesn't preclude it from absolutely rocking someone else's ski experience. I feel pretty confident I know who will like the Bonafide and Soul 7 given my general knowledge of already friends and colleagues who already do. And even if these two skis aren't on my 'want to own' list, they certainly aren't '1 or 3 out of 10' skis.

That we would give a negative review some extra gravitas from a skier I can sort of understand as having skied 60 days per season for 8 years, is 150 lbs skiing a 187 Bonafide... let me run on some more for a moment.... doesn't lend special credibility to either the skier or those who think a negative review 'just because' is somehow infused with 'truthiness'. Or as Steven Colbert might say, " I am ski review and so do you."
post #96 of 117
I wouldn't pay that much attention to the specific note here ( 1 or 3 / 10 or whatever) I would concentrate on the motif behind it. And the motive here makes sense to me.... ( did I say motive ...it rings a bell.....)....was it.... 95........
post #97 of 117
For $300, the Motive 95 is a great deal for a lot of folks
post #98 of 117

The entire concept of rating a ski X out of 10 is stupid in the first place.  Different skis for different people and styles.

 

But you're telling me someone who prefers center-mounted jib skis doesn't like a directional ski with a very rearward mounting point?  Get out of here!  I'm shocked.

post #99 of 117
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For $300, the Motive 95 is a great deal for a lot of folks

 

If you go to many car forums it is not uncommon to be told "Miata: Miata Is Always The Answer", JSW TDI was the other one, until about a week ago:(. Right now the leftover Motive 95 is the darling in ski deals, deservedly so.  

post #100 of 117
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The entire concept of rating a ski X out of 10 is stupid in the first place.  Different skis for different people and styles.

But you're telling me someone who prefers center-mounted jib skis doesn't like a directional ski with a very rearward mounting point?  Get out of here!  I'm shocked.

Yes there's no context.
From what I gather of the Dead Sea Scrolls post,( unintelligible, take someone else's garbled version (google)), what he didn't like is the front folded up. I find this hard to believe. Has anyone had such an experience?( Never a fan of the old one. I found it a deadish plank.)

Then he likes the Q98? (Soft, likely to "fold" if the Bone did)
Not the Q lab??( Much more stought with decent flex though.)

Sometimes whether one likes a ski or not isn't really quantifiable. Tools are like that. The ones you prefer working with might not have the "best" specs.

 

Write reviews like this beauty queen Sorta Marge talks. Hilarious:

 

https://youtu.be/Hj3GhKF_M18

post #101 of 117
Have you tried it in chopped snow? I am in PNW, have the old bonafides which cuts thru cold mash potato snow very well. Just curious I'd the carbon tip has the same oomph?
Thank you !
post #102 of 117
The new skis have carbon integrated into the tip and tail to make the tips and tails stronger. There are still two sheets of metal and wood that extend all the way to the end of the ski. Thet will cut through PNW crud as good if not better than your old ones.
post #103 of 117

ProSkiLab / ski test pro (European ski test)  -- interesting results for 2016 Bonafide and 2016 Brahma . For those interested it is an Europe based site and it is in french - http://www.proskilab.fr/ski-test/2016/All-Mountain-5050  In the section all mountain 50/50 there a 5 skis tested and evaluated for 2016  and the Bonafide  takes the 3rd place with a global note of 14.3/20 and according to 11 different criteria. It will be a little long to translate the whole evaluation (and the google translation sucks), but the main point according to the testers is that the performance characteristics of the 2016 Bonafide are down compared to the previous model ( may be due to the snow conditions of the test as they say) stability at high speed and edge hold - not comparable with  Stormrider 95 for example.  You can enter the site and see the note for all the 11 different criteria and the other skis tested. They recommend the Bonafide for the intermediate and the high intermediate skier. Even more interesting results for the 2016 Brahma which falls in the 70/30 all mountain category. Testers say they decided not to evaluate the ski due to it's exceptionally  bad performance again compared with the previous model. They say this could be structural fatigue or  some other kind of manufacturing problem, but the ski is real bad.     http://www.proskilab.fr/ski-test/2016/Blizzard/Brahma.php

post #104 of 117
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ProSkiLab / ski test pro (European ski test)  -- interesting results for 2016 Bonafide and 2016 Brahma . For those interested it is an Europe based site and it is in french - http://www.proskilab.fr/ski-test/2016/All-Mountain-5050  In the section all mountain 50/50 there a 5 skis tested and evaluated for 2016  and the Bonafide  takes the 3rd place with a global note of 14.3/20 and according to 11 different criteria. It will be a little long to translate the whole evaluation (and the google translation sucks), but the main point according to the testers is that the performance characteristics of the 2016 Bonafide are down compared to the previous model ( may be due to the snow conditions of the test as they say) stability at high speed and edge hold - not comparable with  Stormrider 95 for example.  You can enter the site and see the note for all the 11 different criteria and the other skis tested. They recommend the Bonafide for the intermediate and the high intermediate skier. Even more interesting results for the 2016 Brahma which falls in the 70/30 all mountain category. Testers say they decided not to evaluate the ski due to it's exceptionally  bad performance again compared with the previous model. They say this could be structural fatigue or  some other kind of manufacturing problem, but the ski is real bad.     http://www.proskilab.fr/ski-test/2016/Blizzard/Brahma.php

I watched the video, these skiers are fun to watch but I wonder if they test these skis off piste. There was not even one bump run in their video anyone can film like a hero on the groomers. If the Mantra won the shootout that means it is a versatile weapon(translation)  I found it a bit too toggle switch-y, the Stormrider was uninspiring at best, I was expecting Kastle like precision but I could not wake it up.

 

Maybe I am just an "intermediate" skier unworthy of the Stormrider or Mantra the way peasants could not see the Emperor's clothing.

post #105 of 117
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I watched the video, these skiers are fun to watch but I wonder if they test these skis off piste. There was not even one bump run in their video anyone can film like a hero on the groomers. If the Mantra won the shootout that means it is a versatile weapon(translation)  I found it a bit too toggle switch-y, the Stormrider was uninspiring at best, I was expecting Kastle like precision but I could not wake it up.

 

Maybe I am just an "intermediate" skier unworthy of the Stormrider or Mantra the way peasants could not see the Emperor's clothing.

 

I don't have video of the Bone in bumps, but I did feel like it was a handful at my weight, whereas other skis such as the Monster 98 and Kastle FX95HP weren't.  It has a very stout tail; making it a rocket in the right conditions, a superb "wide groomer ski" and great in crud, but bumps?  Heavier skiers will be fine, but if you are a lightweight and need a bump ski, this one isn't it.  With that said, it was more fun on groomers than any other 98-ish ski I tested. 

post #106 of 117
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I watched the video, these skiers are fun to watch but I wonder if they test these skis off piste. There was not even one bump run in their video anyone can film like a hero on the groomers. If the Mantra won the shootout that means it is a versatile weapon(translation)  I found it a bit too toggle switch-y, the Stormrider was uninspiring at best, I was expecting Kastle like precision but I could not wake it up.

 

Maybe I am just an "intermediate" skier unworthy of the Stormrider or Mantra the way peasants could not see the Emperor's clothing.


I don't think they test 30/70 or 50/50 ski on groomed slopes only. As we see this is a big mountain with all the opportunities to go off piste to find bumps if needed etc. The video is only a very short fragment - presentation of the testers. It doesn't show the real tests. Besides, they evaluate 11 different criteria many of which need to be qualified off piste.

post #107 of 117
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I don't have video of the Bone in bumps, but I did feel like it was a handful at my weight, whereas other skis such as the Monster 98 and Kastle FX95HP weren't.  It has a very stout tail; making it a rocket in the right conditions, a superb "wide groomer ski" and great in crud, but bumps?  Heavier skiers will be fine, but if you are a lightweight and need a bump ski, this one isn't it.  With that said, it was more fun on groomers than any other 98-ish ski I tested. 

I am 240+ so the Bones are a medium soft ride for me.

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I don't think they test 30/70 or 50/50 ski on groomed slopes only. As we see this is a big mountain with all the opportunities to go off piste to find bumps if needed etc. The video is only a very short fragment - presentation of the testers. It doesn't show the real tests. Besides, they evaluate 11 different criteria many of which need to be qualified off piste.

I trust the French judgment in their skills and reviews, but I also know that they love that tip pressure, or at least that is how my Powertrack 89s respond best.  Some of the best off piste skiers I have skied with are French.

post #108 of 117
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I am 240+ so the Bones are a medium soft ride for me.

I trust the French judgment in their skills and reviews, but I also know that they love that tip pressure, or at least that is how my Powertrack 89s respond best.  Some of the best off piste skiers I have skied with are French.


Yes I also have the Powertrack 89 , tip pressure on a rockered ski however  (tapered tips) -- not so easy .

post #109 of 117
I wi post vid of recent skiing as soon as I can, so you can see what I am talking about. I use quite a bit of ankle flexion to generate tip pressure, along with aggressively tipping the new inside ski, as well as down-unweighting
post #110 of 117
And for me at 155 lbs, a softer tip is always better in bumps. One of the best wider skis ever for me was the head Rock n roll; no metal whatsoever. Dynastar slicer was up there too. Somewhat soft flexible tip, solid underfoot. The Bone has a very stiff tip, aggressive, great response but you need more weight to get it flexing in bumps. Even today, testing Kastle, the no metal skis beat the HP version in zipper line bumps easily. I could ski the hp, but the non-hp were just easier
post #111 of 117
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Yes I also have the Powertrack 89 , tip pressure on a rockered ski however  (tapered tips) -- not so easy .

I just had an awesome day cutting untracked......on the Bones.I honestly cannot imagine a ski that I might possibly like more, unless of course it is deep, then the Bodacious are waiting patiently for me to pick them out and wax them up. Tomorrow looks to be luscious.

post #112 of 117
Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

And for me at 155 lbs, a softer tip is always better in bumps. One of the best wider skis ever for me was the head Rock n roll; no metal whatsoever. Dynastar slicer was up there too. Somewhat soft flexible tip, solid underfoot. The Bone has a very stiff tip, aggressive, great response but you need more weight to get it flexing in bumps. Even today, testing Kastle, the no metal skis beat the HP version in zipper line bumps easily. I could ski the hp, but the non-hp were just easier

Dawg, interesting that you feel the RnR is "soft".  I bought yours from you, and I think of them as more of a charger than a playful ski.  I won't contradict what you say about their performance in the bumps, but just that you think the tip is "soft".  I actually assumed they had some metal in them.  ....and I'm 20 lbs heavier than you!

post #113 of 117
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I just had an awesome day cutting untracked......on the Bones.I honestly cannot imagine a ski that I might possibly like more, unless of course it is deep, then the Bodacious are waiting patiently for me to pick them out and wax them up. Tomorrow looks to be luscious.


Are you on the 2016 Bonafide or on the older model ?

post #114 of 117
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Are you on the 2016 Bonafide or on the older model ?
They're 3 years old now, almost 200 days.
post #115 of 117
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They're 3 years old now, almost 200 days.


Ok , I was just curious, I wanted to compare your feedback with the tests above (from proskilab.fr), but they are talking about the 2016 model and it is significantly changed to the best of my knowlege.

post #116 of 117
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Ok , I was just curious, I wanted to compare your feedback with the tests above (from proskilab.fr), but they are talking about the 2016 model and it is significantly changed to the best of my knowlege.

By and large they are unchanged, the core tips have been replaced with a carbon fiber insert to lighten things up but I fully expect them to bludgeon obstacles with equal aplomb tho I will be testing them to see how I like them when I replace the old bones.

 

I'm not that excited about the new tip taper in the Cochise, Bodacious and Spur, the Bones have the taper dialed.

post #117 of 117
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By and large they are unchanged, the core tips have been replaced with a carbon fiber insert to lighten things up but I fully expect them to bludgeon obstacles with equal aplomb tho I will be testing them to see how I like them when I replace the old bones.

 

I'm not that excited about the new tip taper in the Cochise, Bodacious and Spur, the Bones have the taper dialed.


ProSkiLab says they are less stiff for 2016 so I suppose some changes must have been made.

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