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Hi All, I just joined to get your expertise on this question -

 

Could I consider youth skis if I'm a 100 lb. female that's never touched a black diamond? I need something very short and soft, because I'm not known for being a powerful skiier. Thinking of something like the Icelantic Scout Skny. I know I have to stay away from system bindings, because with a DIN of 3, I'm only in the target range if I'm using a binding like the Marker M7.0. (Even beginner ladies skis like the Atomic Cloud series begin at a DIN of 2.5.)

 

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Hi All, I just joined to get your expertise on this question -

 

Could I consider youth skis if I'm a 100 lb. female that's never touched a black diamond? I need something very short and soft, because I'm not known for being a powerful skiier. Thinking of something like the Icelantic Scout Skny. I know I have to stay away from system bindings, because with a DIN of 3, I'm only in the target range if I'm using a binding like the Marker M7.0. (Even beginner ladies skis like the Atomic Cloud series begin at a DIN of 2.5.)

 

Thank you for weighing in!


Welcome to EpicSki!  You might also look around TheSkiDiva.com .  There has been some discussion over there about gear for petite women.

 

Would help to know your height as well.  What region are you skiing in the most?

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I'm a 100 lb. female that's never touched a black diamond

 

The question isn't whether you've touched a black diamond. The question is whether a black diamond has touched you.

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Welcome to EpicSki!  You might also look around TheSkiDiva.com .  There has been some discussion over there about gear for petite women.

 

Would help to know your height as well.  What region are you skiing in the most?

 

Couldn't find a helpful thread at that site, but I also didn't spend 20 minutes searching... Still, thanks for the suggestion.

Anyway, I'm 5'6 and ski Northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado. Soft snow, generally, 90% on piste. By the charts, someone my height is supposed to ski 150-somethings, but there's no way I could do that. I felt good on a 142 when I was a snowboarder. The only contrast between my body and that of a 13-year-old weakling's is that mine was born in 1985.

 

They say skis don't know how tall you are, but they do know how much you weigh. That being said, I imagine since my center of mass is higher up than a teenage girl's, that might mean youth skis won't work for me. I hope to hear from all you experts. Thank you!


Edited by km87508 - 1/21/15 at 7:30pm
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Paging Trek Chick...

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Welcome to EpicSki!  You might also look around TheSkiDiva.com .  There has been some discussion over there about gear for petite women.

 

Would help to know your height as well.  What region are you skiing in the most?

 

Couldn't find a helpful thread at that site, but I also didn't spend 20 minutes searching... Still, thanks for the suggestion.

Anyway, I'm 5'6 and ski Northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado. Soft snow, generally, 90% on piste. By the charts, someone my height is supposed to ski 150-somethings, but there's no way I could do that. My body is like that of a 13-year-old weakling. I felt good on a 142 when I was a snowboarder.

 

They say skis don't know how tall you are, but they do know how much you weigh. That being said, I imagine since my center of mass is higher up than a teenage girl's, that might mean youth skis won't work for me. I hope to hear from all you experts. Thank you!


Here's a thread by a petite woman although she is several inches shorter.  Might get some ideas.

http://www.theskidiva.com/forums/index.php?threads/can-we-talk-skinny-skis.18901/

 

A thread about a teen girl that might be relevant.

http://www.theskidiva.com/forums/index.php?threads/tween-daugher-ski-advice.18501/

 

A directed Google search something like "teen girl: epicski" may turn up relevant threads.

post #8 of 15
Well what skis have you been on before and how were they?
I know a petite woman that skis an Ace of Spades junior ski and a junior race type skI. It's definitely an option.
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Originally Posted by km87508 View Post
 

Hi All, I just joined to get your expertise on this question -

 

Could I consider youth skis if I'm a 100 lb. female that's never touched a black diamond? I need something very short and soft, because I'm not known for being a powerful skiier. Thinking of something like the Icelantic Scout Skny. I know I have to stay away from system bindings, because with a DIN of 3, I'm only in the target range if I'm using a binding like the Marker M7.0. (Even beginner ladies skis like the Atomic Cloud series begin at a DIN of 2.5.)

 

Thank you for weighing in!


There are lots of options for you with your size.  Think about looking for something like a K2 Potion 76, or Salomon Quartz.  These are really good options with bindings that should meet your needs for din. 

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Well what skis have you been on before and how were they?
I know a petite woman that skis an Ace of Spades junior ski and a junior race type skI. It's definitely an option.

Base rental, size 135, crap. Sport package rentals, size 136, a step up from crap, but that may have also been because I upgraded the rental skis at the same time I went from rental boots to my own Fischer vacuums. Impossible to tell.

I'll check that suggestion out. What's your friend's body shape like?

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There are lots of options for you with your size.  Think about looking for something like a K2 Potion 76, or Salomon Quartz.  These are really good options with bindings that should meet your needs for din. 


I was taught that ideally, you should be in the center of the binding's DIN range. Women's bindings start at 2.5 or 3 as far as I can tell. I didn't want that first post to be super long, but there are other reasons I would not buy a system binding. Most importantly, the bindings will only be indemnified a certain number of years, and after that, your skis are junk as well as your bindings.

 

Nordica has the First Belle and the Belle to Belle that are relatively short... But youth skis are so damn cheap! :)

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There are lots of options for you with your size.  Think about looking for something like a K2 Potion 76, or Salomon Quartz.  These are really good options with bindings that should meet your needs for din. 


I was taught that ideally, you should be in the center of the binding's DIN range. Women's bindings start at 2.5 or 3 as far as I can tell. I didn't want that first post to be super long, but there are other reasons I would not buy a system binding. Most importantly, the bindings will only be indemnified a certain number of years, and after that, your skis are junk as well as your bindings.

 

Nordica has the First Belle and the Belle to Belle that are relatively short... But youth skis are so damn cheap! :)


Ideally you may want to be in the center of the DIN range but the binding will work correctly as long as you are in the DIN range.  

System skis may not be the way you want to go, and maybe kids skis are cheaper but I wouldn't recommend a kid ski for most adult skiers with a few exceptions. 

 

So, you are looking at the First Belle and Belle to Belle, both of which are fine skis if you can find them flat (non system) and in a size short enough for you. 

Another option is to look at the K2 Potion 80 which is available flat and has a soft/smooth flex for someone your size. 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post I wouldn't recommend a kid ski for most adult skiers with a few exceptions.

 

This speaks to my question, which was about whether someone like me can use youth skis. Why are youth skis insufficient for lightweight adults? That's what I'm seeking to understand. What is it about the center of the skiier's mass or the positioning of the binding? Or is it just that adults will overpower the skis? I know petite men who ski on women's gear, (my local Marker/Volkl rep, actually,) so why not petite women on youth gear?

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post I wouldn't recommend a kid ski for most adult skiers with a few exceptions.

 

This speaks to my question, which was about whether someone like me can use youth skis. Why are youth skis insufficient for lightweight adults? That's what I'm seeking to understand. What is it about the center of the skiier's mass or the positioning of the binding? Or is it just that adults will overpower the skis? I know petite men who ski on women's gear, (my local Marker/Volkl rep, actually,) so why not petite women on youth gear?


For starters, most jr bindings won't accept an adult boot lug. 

Most jr skis are too soft for skiers that are over 80(ish) lbs, with a few exceptions, and yes an adult will overpower the skis. 

With the market for women's skis there are tons of affordable options that will suit your skiing better than Jr skis. 

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^^^^ We've run into this problem with our kids transitioning from junior boots and bindings. There's one binding I was told of, by Tyrolia, that seems to be able to handle both, but it would prolly require a special order. The good news is that adult lugs now go down to a junior sized and flexed 22 shell, so the issue tends to be not the boots but the bindings.

 

TC's larger point is dead on. Adults are not just large children anatomically. We have more muscle mass, denser bones, and can exert far more force at the same height. At 100 lbs you would overflex a junior ski of the appropriate length, unless you're talking race skis, and the result would be the ski becoming unstable and tending to wash out. 

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