So, the Patriots got caught with Spygate because they didn't get the memo? Ok.
Let's not act like it was heroic to fire Hernandez after being indicted for murder. I don't think anyone's really blamed the Pats for hiring him since it's a league problem with these guys. But... how ridiculous is Kraft's statement "we were duped" by Hernandez? Very ridiculous. They knew all about Hernandez. Every team knew. He got the lowest score, a 1 out of 10 in the social category of the pysch test. Then all those things in Florida. I mean if Tebow had been indicted for murder "we were duped" could be believed.
See: "The Gangster in the Huddle", Rolling Stone, 8/28/13
Here's the thing, the NFL might not need proof, but if you are going to parrot stupid drivel like "everyone knows they cheat, that how we know they cheat" I AM going to ask you to defend that statement. Saying "they don't NEED proof" well, that's a shitty response.
I have never said anything like that. But since you asked, out of 100 Nfl players, 72 think the Patriots deflated the footballs. Now, only 16/100 thought they cheated, perhaps because 68/100 thought other teams did the same thing.
As for fans, well... they use the c word in the poll. 69 % of avid fans.
The standard is not "beyond a reasonable doubt", it's "preponderance of evidence", that's the standard that Wells used. I didn't make it up, the CBA does. Maybe you'll negotiate for them next time. Otherwise, the "proof" you request is met by the preponderance of evidence laid out below. Taken as a whole, it shows an attempt to deflate the balls below that which tbey were tested at by the official before the game.
Is it "beyond a reasonable doubt"? I'd say it is, though if they had had subpoena power it probably would definitely meet that standard.
As for my "pretty obvious" comment, that's from the text messages between McNally and Jastremski and communication with Brady. Sure, you can explain away things like calling the equipment guy the "deflator", because he wanted to lose weight, but that's beyond absurd. Wells calls the text messages "direct evidence". Not sure I'd go that far but that may get into legal terms. Regardless, there's only so much evidence one can gather if no one talks. There's no subpoena power. So we have the equipment guys texts and actions on video.
Here's Wells in conference with reporters after the report.
What drove the decision in this report was one thing: it was the evidence. and I could not ethically ignore the import and relevancy of those text messages and the other evidence. I mean the notion that McNally is referring to himself as the “deflator” before the season starts and threatening that he has not gone to ESPN yet, no one can ignore the implications of that text message and no one can see it as a joke nor is it circumstantial evidence. It is direct evidence and it is inculpatory
It's not credible these two guys, or mostly the one, McNally, did this without Brady's knowledge. Brady liked the ball very broken in and had elaborate proceedures, as do other qb's, to accomplish this. What's the evidence he wanted it below 12.5, which the ref was told "that's the way Tom likes it"? The guy takes them into the bathroom after the ref's check. That's on video.
Conclusion: Ref checked balls to 12.5. Balls are stolen essentially, taken to bathroom and further reduced. If they were fine at 12.5, no need to steal them and take them to the bathroom.
Here's some of the the bullet points from the Wells report, pg 15
That game balls for a Sunday game would not be deflated because of anger at Brady (“The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating”).
Text messages most plausibly read as describing a conversation between Jastremski and Brady during which Brady mentioned McNally and said that McNally must have “a lot of stress” trying to get the footballs “done” (“Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...”).
Text messages from McNally referring to himself as the “deflator” and suggesting that he might contact the media (“jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator”; “Chill buddy im just fuckin with you ....im not going to espn........yet”).
McNally‟s knowledge that Brady prefers footballs inflated at the low end of the permissible range and his express request that the referee set the balls at a 12.5 psi level.
Referee Walt Anderson‟s inability to locate the game balls at the start of the game (for the first time in nineteen years) and the breach in standard pre-game procedure when McNally removed the game balls from the Officials Locker Room without the permission of the referee or other game officials.
McNally bringing the game balls into the bathroom during his walk from the Officials Locker Room to the field, locking the door and remaining inside the bathroom with the game balls for approximately one minute and forty seconds, an amount of time sufficient to deflate thirteen footballs using a needle.
McNally‟s failure to mention taking the balls into the bathroom in his initial interview with NFL Security and his subsequent varying explanations for the bathroom stop and decision not to utilize readily available bathroom facilities in the Officials Locker Room and the adjacent Chain Gang Room.
McNally‟s receipt on January 10, 2015, in the Patriots equipment room with both Brady and Jastremski present, of two footballs autographed by Brady and Brady‟s autograph on a game-worn jersey, and Jastremski‟s receipt earlier in the season of a particularly valuable autograph from Brady.
The timing and frequency of the telephone communications between Jastremski and McNally, as well as Jastremski and Brady, immediately after suspicions of ball tampering were raised by NFL Security and in media reports.
Indeed, in our view, a contrary conclusion requires the acceptance of an implausible number of communications and events as benign coincidences. Although we believe that a number of the communications between Jastremski and McNally were attempts at humor, based on the evidence and the communications in their entirety, we believe that McNally and Jastremski were joking about events in which they were actually participating that involved the deflation of footballs in violation of the Playing Rules.
i find the reports conclusion about these texts reasonable and highly likely. Namely, that McNally was deflating footballs with the knowledge of Jastremski and receiving signed items- footballs, jersey, shoes for his efforts. So Tom was aware.
Here's the initial summary in the report on Brady's knowledge:
Our conclusions with respect to Tom Brady also are based on an analysis of the substantial and credible evidence. The evidence does not allow us to reach conclusions as to when McNally and Jastremski began their efforts to release air from Patriots game balls on game day (although McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” prior to the start of the 2014-15 season), exactly how long those efforts have been ongoing, how frequently they occurred, how the idea originated or the full scope of communications related to those efforts.
We also note that there is less direct evidence linking Brady to tampering activities than either McNally or Jastremski. We nevertheless believe, based on the totality of the evidence, that it is more probable than not that Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.
Evidence of Brady‟s awareness appears in text communications between McNally and Jastremski. For example, in text messages exchanged with McNally in October 2014 discussing Brady‟s unhappiness with the inflation level of Patriots game balls, Jastremski told McNally that “[h]e actually brought you up” and “said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done.” In relevant part, the text message exchange stated:
McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a fuckin balloon
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...
Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...
Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fucked us...a few of then were at almost 16
We believe that the most plausible reading of this exchange, based on the context and the evidence, is that Brady “brought up” McNally, told Jastremski that McNally “must have a lot of stress trying” to get the footballs “done” and that Jastremski told Brady that it was stressful for McNally. Jastremski‟s text message thus attributes to Brady knowledge of McNally‟s efforts to get the footballs “done” and the stress involved.
We reject as implausible the reading offered by Jastremski, McNally and counsel for the Patriots that certain portions of this exchange refer to a person other than Brady.
Moreover, taking the text messages as a whole, Brady is a constant reference point in the discussions between McNally and Jastremski about inflation, deflation, needles and tems to be received by McNally. In response to Jastremski‟s offers of sneakers and clothing, for example, McNally identifies Brady as the catalyst for those offers (“Tom must really be working your balls hard this week”; “Tom must really be on you”). And unhappiness with Brady is referenced by McNally as a reason for using the “needle” to inflate rather than deflate footballs (“Fuck tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....fuckin watermelons coming”). Brady is thus central to the discussions of inflation and deflation in the text messages.
Additional evidence of Brady‟s awareness includes a material increase in the frequency of telephone and text communications between Brady and Jastremski shortly after suspicions of ball tampering became public on January 19.
After not communicating by telephone or text message for more than six months (based on data retrieved from Jastremski‟s cell phone), Brady and Jastremski spoke by telephone at least twice on January 19 (calls lasting a total of 25 minutes and 2 seconds), twice on January 20 (calls lasting a total of 9 minutes and 55 seconds) and twice on January 21 (calls lasting a total of 20 minutes and 52 seconds) before Jastremski surrendered his cell phone to the Patriots later that day for forensic imaging.
These calls included conversations relatively early during the mornings of January 19 (7:26 a.m. for 13 minutes and 4 seconds), January 20 (8:22 a.m. for 6 minutes and 21 seconds) and January 21 (7:38 a.m. for 13 minutes and 47 seconds). Brady also took the unprecedented step of inviting Jastremski to the QB room (essentially Brady‟s office) in Gillette Stadium on January 19 for the first and only time that Jastremski can recall during his twenty-year career with the Patriots, and Brady sent Jastremski text messages seemingly designed to calm Jastremski (“You good Jonny boy?”; “You doing good?”). For his part, Jastremski sent Brady text messages confirming that he was okay (“Still nervous; so far so good though”) and cautioning Brady about questioning (“FYI...Dave will be picking your brain later about it. He‟s not accusing me, or anyone...trying to get to bottom of it. He knows it‟s unrealistic you did it yourself...”).
In addition, we believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady‟s knowledge and approval. Based on our interviews and assessment of McNally and Jastremski, we also do not believe that they would personally and unilaterally engage in such conduct in the absence of Brady‟s awareness and consent.
Brady has also acknowledged publicly that he likes game balls inflated at the low end of the permissible range. The inflation level of game balls clearly is important to Brady, as demonstrated by his reaction when he believed that game balls were inflated at an undesirable level.
In addition, Brady personally was involved in the 2006 rule change that allowed visiting teams to prepare game balls in accordance with the preferences of their quarterbacks. During the process of advocating that rule change, it is reasonable to infer that Brady was likely to be (or become) familiar with the NFL rules regarding game balls, including the 12.5 psi minimum inflation level, although Brady denies having been aware of Rule 2 or the minimum inflation level until 2014 (despite approximately fourteen years as an NFL quarterback).
During his interview, Brady denied any knowledge of or involvement in any efforts to deflate game balls after the pre-game inspection by the game officials. He claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally‟s name or anything about McNally‟s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We found these claims not plausible and contradicted by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally‟s role as Officials Locker Room attendant.
Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady‟s inflation level preference.
In sum, with respect to all of our conclusions regarding the Patriots, McNally, Jastremski and Brady, we believe that the totality of the evidence, including the text communications, McNally‟s breach of pre-game procedure, McNally‟s disappearance into a locked bathroom with the game balls for a period of time sufficient to deflate the Patriots game balls using a needle, the post-game communications between Jastremski and McNally, the increase in the frequency of text and telephone communications between Jastremski and Brady post-game, the halftime data showing a larger reduction in air pressure in the Patriots balls as compared to the Colts game balls, which our scientific consultants inform us is statistically significant, together with other facts developed during the investigation and set forth in this Report support our conclusions.
Those from ppg 16-19 Wells Report. The 243 pages of which are available here:
So, given that, I stand by my "pretty obvious" that Brady knew about the deflation. I also just don't buy he hasn't known about the 12.5 pai standard until the Jets game. I'd say at least from 2006 when the rules where changed he was aware if not much earlier.
I don't even need to go into the gauges and testing, ideal gas law, and by how much they were lower. Because of all of the above quotes and scenario. All that was for something. Namely getting the balls lower than what the ref checked them at. (The tests for the 11 Patriots balls were 10.5 -11.85 on one gauge and 10.9-12.3 psi on the other. The 4 tested Colts balls were 12.5 -12.75 one gauge, and 12.15 - 12.95 the other. See the Appendix, page 163 out of 243 of the report)
If you rob a store and there's no money in the register, you still robbed the store.
What about Joe Theismann and "he couldn't tell" the difference? Well good for Joe. Joe is not Tom. So it's pretty irrelevant. Tom is extremely particular about the prep of his footballs. Tom and Peyton got the rules changed to allow qb's to prep their own footballs. We also know he likes it at the low end of the official range from public statements. Whether it makes a difference or not is irrelevant. That's what he wants.
If if Brady didn't notice the difference between 1st and 2nd half it doesn't matter. He wanted it soft and directed McNally to accomplish that.
Here's Joe Montana:
“I mean, it’s easy to figure out who did it,” Montana said. “Did Tom do it? No, but Tom likes the balls that way, obviously, or you wouldn’t have 11 of them that way without him complaining, because as a quarterback, you know how you like the ball. If it doesn’t feel like that, something is wrong. It’s a stupid thing to even be talking about because they shouldn’t have the rule anyway. If you want to see the game played at the best, everybody has a different grip, everybody likes a different feel.”
This former quarterback, Hugh Millen, thinks it does make a difference.
Again, he's not Tom. But Tom wanted them soft. Below 12.5psi. That's what matters. That's what very most likely happened against the Colts before the game started.
Ben Affleck's nanny with Tom's rings last week:
http://pagesix.com/2015/08/12/nflers-slam-tom-brady-over-affleck-nanny-photos/Edited by Tog - 8/17/15 at 8:15pm