^^^^That's why I keep saying it wasn't a big factor in the outcome of that game... But Hawthorne Effect??
I still don't know how any of you can overlook the HUGE disparity between the number of fumbles by the Pats (WAY lower) vs. the rest of the league since 2010. And the report goes as far back as 2007 and the same trend applies. The rest of the league has a pretty average curve, with the indoor teams and the teams with better records having better fumble stats. The Pats stats are OFF THE CHARTS. Sorry, that is a pretty big smoking gun that something is up and has been.
Then Sherman calls out the fact that Kraft and Goodell are buddies.
And the 49ers had way less fumbles during the Bill Walsh (and George Seifert) eras because they made a huge deal of it during practice, just like Belichick does. They also throw the ball a ton, while more fumbles happen on rushing plays - a huge number of them during the hand-off itself.
A smoking gun? Please.
But we could also try to argue that the Pats may have possibly inflated their balls at 12,000 feet elevation them brought then down to sea level and that is why the pressure inside dropped.
Two seconds with a needle is a lot more likely the cause.. mostly because we have the ball that didn't change in their same set of 12 as well.. likely the ball the kicker would use to kick field goals. Want that one harder for sure..
Jesus, is it too much to ask you to read the damn rules, as written by the NFL? For christ sake, there is all the information you need out there to sound like you know what you are talking about but you appear hell-bent on sounding like an idiot.
Do a little research. Stop posting until you have a grasp of what you are talking about.
If the media did the same this wouldn't be in the press at all.
The point was that only 11 of 12 balls changed. If weather was the cause all 12 would have changed.
Which set does the ball they use on 4th down punts (or fakes??) come from?
As far as the study about the Patriots lack of turn-overs, that's bs as well. The Patriots have two mantras they live by:
"Do your job" and "ball security"
Wow, they're good at not turning the ball over? No shit. They start at the draft and pick players who DO NOT FUMBLE, ever. they then train them to hang onto the football. When they don't they sit. For weeks at a time before getting another shot at the field. This isn't a mystery or a conspiracy. Every years during the draft the draft prognosticators cannot understand the Patriots draft, the 'better athletes' get left on the board while the pats choose players from smaller programs or players who weren't 'stars' on the team they played for... it doesn't make sense. They drafted a college QB to play wide reciever, they drafted a QB who never started for his college team... they drafted Brady who split time with Drew Henson as starter. Then those no name players become functional parts of a team that is full of players who fully understand their 'job' and also 'secure the football'. It isn't mysterious, it is a franchise philosophy. A foundation the entire team is built around. Put down the pitchforks.
1) 11 of 12 dropped below 12.5 psi, that does not mean ball #12 didn't lose the exact same amount of pressure, it just means it started higher or wasn't used in the game and didn't have the same environmental factors as the other balls. Same goes for the Colt's balls, no one is saying they didn't lose an equal amount of pressure.
2) They have special 'kicking balls' what do YOU suppose they kick with???
Kicking<>Punting? I don't know. Can one you experts that read the rules cover to cover for all of eternity show me the rule about what ball is used for punting? i.e... an offensive play from scrimmage that is not a field goal, kick off, or extra point kick.
Well having a scenario in you playbook where a harder ball is preferable (Not just punts either) is definitely one possible explanation.
There is a side of me that actually appreciates the ingenuity and cunning to alter the ball as long as they got away with it. I loved how Billy Martin could come in and turn a baseball team around by teaching them how to get away with throwing spit balls. That is pure genius really!
^^^This! Again I can understand motives and reasons to want a softer, slightly more squeezable ball while on offense. If they have found a way to do that, within the rules or not, that is pure genius! They're far from stupid. Bellicheck's a great coach. Patriots are a very good team. Nobody hates the visiting team that sucks, only the ones that kick your ass over and over again.
Anyway, it's over or it never happened. On to the championship.
That took me 3 seconds to find.
That took me 3 seconds to find.
I already saw that looking around. Says what we think is the rule. But where is the actual rule? That is a lot harder to find. Don't be a rule nazi telling others to read the rules unless you can cite them.
Again, there are also other situations on offense where a harder ball may be preferable?? Who knows. Again, who cares at this point. There will be better oversight going forward so it's a moot point..
Oh come on, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of America didn't know that the kickers had different balls until this whole issue came up last week.... Just like most didn't know about the pressure regulations, including the PATS.... :)
Doesn't most of America think kickers have no balls at all?