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post #61 of 74
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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post


It's no "accident" when someone makes a deliberate choice to give up control for some thrill.

This. 

post #62 of 74

Some people think they can be as careless as they want and if they hit someone it's an accident,,,, same people are the ones who seek legal action against people when they get hit.... 

post #63 of 74
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

Change the scenario of this accident, put the uphill skier a young ski racer girl and the downhill rider a teen age or young 20's male snowboarder sitting below a roller. Let's say the report was "young skier injured in collision with snowboarder" and have the story read: an 11 year old female skier is recovering from a broken femur after a collision with 23yr old 190lbs male snowboarder who was sitting below a roller, out of the line of sight of the young skier. The snowboarder suffered a concussion, both were wearing helmets.

 

People here would want to lynch the snowboarder. You would all agree it was his fault.


I have to agree with Whiteroom, it does appear many comments are directed at lynching snowboarders. That is unfortunate and misguided. Research shows skiing is more dangerous, likely to due higher average speeds. Most of us boarders are hanging in the park or tearing up the edges at safe speed, not that I am excusing this boarder. In fact, I get pissed off anytime I see people flying down the mountain at excessive speed ignoring SLOW signage. I've personally seen two really bad life altering head injuries in my time and yep, both involved out of control skiers. The last one was 2 weeks ago at Sunday River when a skier hit another skier in the head while he was down in the landing zone.

 

Also, don't pass me close at high speed and scream "on your right" unless you want to get hockey style checked.

post #64 of 74
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Originally Posted by RiverRat207 View Post
 
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Also, don't pass me close at high speed and scream "on your right" unless you want to get hockey style checked.

Glad you put in "Close at high speed".  I would still recommend against the check.

 

I learned a long time ago that calling out "on your right" is a good way to get someone to turn right, so at least I'm not in any danger of getting checked by RiverRat.   I'm also safe because when I pass someone there is no way they could contact me, no matter what they do.  Hope you are too.

post #65 of 74
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Originally Posted by RiverRat207 View Post
 


Research shows skiing is more dangerous, likely to due higher average speeds. Most of us boarders are hanging in the park or tearing up the edges at safe speed, not that I am excusing this boarder.

 

That's surprising...I don't think I've skied a high-traffic run in recent memory where a boarder didn't come straightlining past me at high speed, usually on the edges.

post #66 of 74
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Originally Posted by RiverRat207 View Post


I have to agree with Whiteroom, it does appear many comments are directed at lynching snowboarders. That is unfortunate and misguided. Research shows skiing is more dangerous, likely to due higher average speeds. Most of us boarders are hanging in the park or tearing up the edges at safe speed, not that I am excusing this boarder. In fact, I get pissed off anytime I see people flying down the mountain at excessive speed ignoring SLOW signage. I've personally seen two really bad life altering head injuries in my time and yep, both involved out of control skiers. The last one was 2 weeks ago at Sunday River when a skier hit another skier in the head while he was down in the landing zone.

Also, don't pass me close at high speed and scream "on your right" unless you want to get hockey style checked.

Whether a skier or snowboarder, there is no excuse for out of control and dangerous. This situation happened to involve a snowboarder. I do not think people are being harsh on snowboarders. There are skiers and riders who don't seem to realize that the consequences of their poor choices could mean serious injuries to others.
post #67 of 74
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Originally Posted by skier31 View Post


Whether a skier or snowboarder, there is no excuse for out of control and dangerous. This situation happened to involve a snowboarder. I do not think people are being harsh on snowboarders. There are skiers and riders who don't seem to realize that the consequences of their poor choices could mean serious injuries to others.

I'm a snowboarder with surfing roots and I have made some observations. In the water, surfers have etiquette that you never drop in on somebody else's wave because you risk wiping out into someone causing injury or board damage, the worst being board damage:eek. Surfboards damage easy.

 

Since surfing is not politically correct or give one shit if you are too fat or too slow to catch a wave before the other guy, its always first come first serve  In surfing, there is often an underlying tension that can quickly lead to physical confrontations, most try to avoid this but it can get ugly if people start riding stupid or damaging boards. Arguably, surfing is a bit primal and I say that with respect. Snowboarding is surfing's sibling by blood, skiing is not.

 

 

Crashing on the snow can be bad, as an ex dirtbike rider, football player, skateboarder, bmx, rider I can easily say that the routine crashes one undergoes while riding a snowboard are the most brutal of any sport, not unlike car crash. Skiers get their lumps too of course, but the ejectable gear makes the routine falls a bit nicer. If you never experienced a bad snowboard crash, then I can't explain it. You either know or you don't. This why snowboarders act the way they do, because the last thing they want is to crash. Like surfers, they need space. Boarders have limited vision of less than 90 degrees, where skiers have a respectable field of 180.

 

This is why its bad to yell "on your right/on your left" to a boarder. It can cause an inadvertent shoulder roll as the boarder looks in the direction of the voice, causing the board to veer and collide.

 

I hope the girl fully recovers and as a parent it must have been difficult not to have killed that guy. I would have.

post #68 of 74
People, especially when they are young, do stupid stuff and make mistakes all the time. It's just very unfortunate that both parties had to suffer the consequences. May this be a good reminder for myself and others to observe signs and ski safely.
post #69 of 74
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

People, especially when they are young, do stupid stuff and make mistakes all the time. It's just very unfortunate that both parties had to suffer the consequences. May this be a good reminder for myself and others to observe signs and ski safely.

 

For sure. Unfortunately the snowboarder involved in the crash pertaining to this thread is old enough to know better. Someone said he's in his early 30's? 

post #70 of 74
Gosh, I've done some stupid stuff in my 30's that I'm not proud of.
post #71 of 74
...as long as you're learning from your mistakes.
post #72 of 74

Amen!

post #73 of 74
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Originally Posted by RiverRat207 View Post

 

Like surfers, they need space. Boarders have limited vision of less than 90 degrees, where skiers have a respectable field of 180.

 

Like skiers, they may not have it on crowded resort trails.  And if they can't by design ride safely in those conditions then they picked the wrong tool for the job.

post #74 of 74
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Originally Posted by RiverRat207 View Post

 

Like surfers, they need space. Boarders have limited vision of less than 90 degrees, where skiers have a respectable field of 180.

 

I think the above is a common misconception. Both skiers and snowboarders have a wide field of view but in a different location. Everyone has a blind spot directly behind them but on a snowboard it's to one side unless you can ride switch. Skiers' blind spot is usually uphill behind them. 

 

The key is to not pass someone close within their blind spot if possible. If you're going to overtake a snowboarder try to do it on his or her toe side. If you have to pass on the heel side then try to give a wide berth, or make them aware of your presence if you'll be passing in close proximity. If a skier is making S turns and is on his left turn don't pass him directly to his right just before he might veer back to the right. If I'm skiing I'll tap my poles together several times as I approach so they hear me coming. I find it's less startling than shouting "on your left!" 

 

The idea is similar to not hanging out in another car's blind spot as you're driving. Ride/ski defensively and anticipate oddball maneuvers.

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