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Skiing St. Anton Jan 2015 (10-17th) watch in 1080 for best viewing

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post #1 of 29
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Hi all, 

just got back from St Anton after a great week's skiing

Here is my 1st edit from the holiday.

 

 

Let me know what you think by commenting on youtube, using the poll at the bottom of this page and replying to the thread.

 

watch in 1080 for best viewing

 

post #2 of 29

As much as I like St Anton you didn't do the location justice.   St Anton is in the title.  Where is St Anton in the video?

 

More like a bunch of youtube spam we see everyday.

 

Don't give up your day job.

post #3 of 29
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post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by ali pine View Post

As much as I like St Anton you didn't do the location justice.   St Anton is in the title.  Where is St Anton in the video?

More like a bunch of youtube spam we see everyday.

Don't give up your day job.
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Originally Posted by ali pine View Post

As much as I like St Anton you didn't do the location justice.   St Anton is in the title.  Where is St Anton in the video?

More like a bunch of youtube spam we see everyday.

Don't give up your day job.


The whole video was shot at St Anton except for 1 panorama clip at lech. Sorry I don't know what more I should have done to prove it was St Anton. I did put a clip from the sign at rendl in there too that says St Anton ...
However I am new to all this so really only posted this to get some helpful feedback so that I can improve my vids...
Don't worry I have no intention of giving up my day job smile.gif

Thanks
post #5 of 29

Looks like St Anton to me.  Plus when you say St Anton a lot of time it usually includes St Christopher, Lech, Zurs…...

post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by AmmergauerTele View Post

Looks like St Anton to me.  Plus when you say St Anton a lot of time it usually includes St Christopher, Lech, Zurs…...

Thanks mate smile.gif
post #7 of 29

Damn, St Anton is flat.  Where is the gnar edit???

post #8 of 29
Yeah, I liked the editing, but was underwhelmed by the terrain. However, I've always thought that these cameras severely flatten the look of terrain and that maybe that was the problem.
post #9 of 29

My take....

 

Looks like fun and wish I was there... but I'd suggest more skiing (POV down the hill, and view of others), more views of what the terrain is like, a lot less camera/pole tricks, and less "selfie" style footage (which is almost never good).

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

Damn, St Anton is flat.  Where is the gnar edit???

The resort really isn't easy in truth but @sibhusky is right, I found the gopro flattened things out a bit with the fisheye etc. I'm gonna try make another edit sometime and will post when I've done it. Thanks for the suggestions @dbostedo. I was editing this one for the whole group and didn't want to just focus on me as I wanted to make it enjoyable for them all to see themselves in the edit. I'll try make the next one gnarlier!!!!!
post #11 of 29

Come on guys don't be so harsh ;) Sure it's not on pair with few $100.000 projects, but at least for me, it's much better then most of "put gopro on helmet, ski and record as long as battery last, and then upload to youtube" videos we see every day. Yes it could be improved, and it could be done better, but it's pretty damn good for holiday movie edit. So Nolooney1979 don't worry, you did pretty good job, and you see perfectly fine it's St.Anton ;)

post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

Come on guys don't be so harsh wink.gif Sure it's not on pair with few $100.000 projects, but at least for me, it's much better then most of "put gopro on helmet, ski and record as long as battery last, and then upload to youtube" videos we see every day. Yes it could be improved, and it could be done better, but it's pretty damn good for holiday movie edit. So Nolooney1979 don't worry, you did pretty good job, and you see perfectly fine it's St.Anton wink.gif

Cheers man, you seem to understand my situation. I don't have tonnes of money and if I did I couldn't justify spending it on making and edit from a one week long ski holiday. I made the best of what I could so glad you enjoyed. How would you suggest I improve cos I am making another...
post #13 of 29

Nolooney1997 I'm photo guy, not video, even though my thesis in Uni were actually video stuff, but that was some 12, 13 years back :) So I'm not really right person to give advices, as I'm just struggling to get more into video myself (photography is probably not most brilliant job to stick with it in future, and video just might be :) ), but I'm far from good enough to give suggestions. I meant this above improvement more in general comparing your video with those high budget ski movies. Not that you make same one, because simply you can't. It would be same as expecting someone to make photo of DH racer at full speed with phone, and it should look exactly same as that what I do with $20k worth equipment. But you have basics covered. You have nice story going on through video, with few nice shoots not related to skiing itself, so it's really not that boring helmet/pole mount stuff. And like I said, I actually like it better then majority of home made ski stuff which is on Youtube lately.

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by nolooney1997 View Post

@dbostedo I was editing this one for the whole group and didn't want to just focus on me as I wanted to make it enjoyable for them all to see themselves in the edit.

 

Well there you go... a good rule is to "know your audience". I.e. show things that are for the intended audience. So if you're just making it for friends, you'd certainly edit differently than for a group of strangers. But of course, then you asked for the opinion of a group of strangers, so a little bit of a mixed review. It's probably perfect for you and your friends though!

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by dbostedo View Post

Well there you go... a good rule is to "know your audience". I.e. show things that are for the intended audience. So if you're just making it for friends, you'd certainly edit differently than for a group of strangers. But of course, then you asked for the opinion of a group of strangers, so a little bit of a mixed review. It's probably perfect for you and your friends though!

Dead right! Wanted to see how it compared to the majority of people's opinions @dbostedo
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

Nolooney1997 I'm photo guy, not video, even though my thesis in Uni were actually video stuff, but that was some 12, 13 years back smile.gif So I'm not really right person to give advices, as I'm just struggling to get more into video myself (photography is probably not most brilliant job to stick with it in future, and video just might be smile.gif ), but I'm far from good enough to give suggestions. I meant this above improvement more in general comparing your video with those high budget ski movies. Not that you make same one, because simply you can't. It would be same as expecting someone to make photo of DH racer at full speed with phone, and it should look exactly same as that what I do with $20k worth equipment. But you have basics covered. You have nice story going on through video, with few nice shoots not related to skiing itself, so it's really not that boring helmet/pole mount stuff. And like I said, I actually like it better then majority of home made ski stuff which is on Youtube lately.

I get that, makes complete sense. I am making a second like I said which is different to the first. You might not like due to it being what others want to see but will post when done to see what you guys think. I just really enjoy editing and filming then getting responses 😀
Cheers for the support man, share around plz 👍
post #17 of 29

Been to St Anton - it isn't flat.  Far from it.  I actually think they "dumb" down their rating on their trails to get more people around the mountain.  

 

Regardless what people are saying - looks like you had a blast out there at St A.

post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by AmmergauerTele View Post

Been to St Anton - it isn't flat.  Far from it.  I actually think they "dumb" down their rating on their trails to get more people around the mountain.  

Regardless what people are saying - looks like you had a blast out there at St A.

Your dead right, I agree, most of the blues are reds and some nearly black in parts. But they would never say they have an almost entirely red resort dos they want the beginners £££ too!

We loved it! What part of arlberg did you like skiing best?
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

Damn, St Anton is flat.  Where is the gnar edit???

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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Yeah, I liked the editing, but was underwhelmed by the terrain. However, I've always thought that these cameras severely flatten the look of terrain and that maybe that was the problem.

A good rule for any European resort is that, if the video shows groomers, then the cameraman isn't on the steep bits.

This video was almost entirely groomer skiing.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by CerebralVortex View Post


A good rule for any European resort is that, if the video shows groomers, then the cameraman isn't on the steep bits.

This video was almost entirely groomer skiing.

You're right, conditions didn't warrant lots of off piste skiing, although there was plenty to be had with better conditions. However I have some footage of the gnarlier bits I did, working on second edit showing some of this for you guys. Stay tuned for this vid...
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 

 

2nd edit from my St Anton holiday. Lots of people wanted to see some Gnarlier, steeper terrain that gives St Anton its reputation as being a trickier resort. 

i tried to incorporate some of these shots that i had into this edit. (obviously still a few from the flatter slopes as i like some of these shots.)

Thoughts on this one?

post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 

 

This is my second edit from my recent ski trip in Austria.

 

my other vid is attached here -----

 

let me know which one you prefer and why :)

 

cheers

Nath

post #23 of 29

I like it.  

 

I do video for a living...not ski videos though, sadly!  

 

The first rule of video is tell a story.  You are doing that and I applaud your efforts to capture the experience.  You play around with different angles and camera positions  which is also important.  When you shoot your video think of the edit: what shots do I need to tell this story?

 

Another important aspect was mentioned earlier - communicate to your target audience.  You were basically making a home movie of your ski trip for yourself and your friends so good job of keeping your target audience in mind.

 

The only critical comment I will make is that you tend to hang onto some of the shots too long and perhaps put a few too many in.  This is extremely common and is the hardest part of editing - leaving stuff out.  I have a love hate relationship with good footage:  It is great to have plenty of it but makes it so much harder to decide what to use and what not to use.  

 

More thoughts.  Pacing is crucial.  Cutting to the music helps as well.  The shot where you wipe out (around :28 in) would be better placed around :41 in where the music gets quiet and you have a kind of nice but not super interesting shot.

 

Critiquing videos used to be a large part of my job and I am now off for the day.

post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by crank View Post

I like it.  

I do video for a living...not ski videos though, sadly!  

The first rule of video is tell a story.  You are doing that and I applaud your efforts to capture the experience.  You play around with different angles and camera positions  which is also important.  When you shoot your video think of the edit: what shots do I need to tell this story?

Another important aspect was mentioned earlier - communicate to your target audience.  You were basically making a home movie of your ski trip for yourself and your friends so good job of keeping your target audience in mind.

The only critical comment I will make is that you tend to hang onto some of the shots too long and perhaps put a few too many in.  This is extremely common and is the hardest part of editing - leaving stuff out.  I have a love hate relationship with good footage:  It is great to have plenty of it but makes it so much harder to decide what to use and what not to use.  

More thoughts.  Pacing is crucial.  Cutting to the music helps as well.  The shot where you wipe out (around :28 in) would be better placed around :41 in where the music gets quiet and you have a kind of nice but not super interesting shot.

Critiquing videos used to be a large part of my job and I am now off for the day.
Thanks crank
Means a lot coming from someone who has experience in this film. I agree, would probably be better if I switched these 2 shots... Also I can feel myself putting too much in but can't stop myself lol. I will have to more ruthless next time!!!
Thanks again
Nathan
post #25 of 29
Enjoyed this one as well. Less flat stuff, more terrain, but still want more.
post #26 of 29

I preferred the first video.  (first being 2nd edit)

 

Basically it didn't have as much stick camera, which I just don't get into and the video seemed to flow better.  One thing I would add though is to raise your camera up on your head mount shots as a lot of the time we were just seeing skis and knees without terrain, or at least terrain that I could make sense of (in the 1st video).  Have you tried shooting 4:3 superview?

 

I did think most of the 2nd/3rd person shots were pretty compelling and even though I'm not a fan of stick cams, the camera tosses were interesting.

 

Overall though, the videos were compelling enough for me to sit through. ;)

 

What are you shooting at?  1080p/60 frames?  Protune on?

 

-Mike

post #27 of 29
I've made a fair few videos of motorcycling and mountain biking. I'm far from a professional or even a good amateur, and I preferred your 2nd edit by far, as it tells a better story especially in the opening scenes and some of the more unusual lower down angles you used look good too.smile.gif

In terms of filming it's good, but not so much in content. Your group seems to range from low intermediate to low advanced, many people believe that they are advanced or expert even if they aren't and will attack your videos for lack of proficient or interesting skiing or anything that isn't a pro ski video as a waste of their time. Some people just love to hate.rolleyes.gif

A few of my thoughts....

  • Go pro has been overdone, especially on poles and helmets. IMHO chest cams and other angles just look much better, average content is easy great footage is hard.
  • You'll be in a resort all week, bring the camera, but don't bother using it unless the light and conditions are just right.
  • Add as much narrative to the video as possible (which you succeeded in).
  • Don't bother filming intermediate skiiers skiing not particularly amazingly, unless the video is for your group viewing only.
  • All cameras particularly fish-eye types flatten the terrain terribly, try to use tricks to make the terrain look steeper. This is not cheating, rather making the terrain look the way it actually is. Some pro mountain bike photographers are especially good at this .
  • It's so damn easy to have mediocre footage and hard to have anything worthwhile. You are better off leaving the average stuff out of the video and making it shorter, people have such short attention spans anyhow.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Lewn777 View Post

I've made a fair few videos of motorcycling and mountain biking. I'm far from a professional or even a good amateur, and I preferred your 2nd edit by far, as it tells a better story especially in the opening scenes and some of the more unusual lower down angles you used look good too.smile.gif

In terms of filming it's good, but not so much in content. Your group seems to range from low intermediate to low advanced, many people believe that they are advanced or expert even if they aren't and will attack your videos for lack of proficient or interesting skiing or anything that isn't a pro ski video as a waste of their time. Some people just love to hate.rolleyes.gif

A few of my thoughts....

  • Go pro has been overdone, especially on poles and helmets. IMHO chest cams and other angles just look much better, average content is easy great footage is hard.
  • You'll be in a resort all week, bring the camera, but don't bother using it unless the light and conditions are just right.
  • Add as much narrative to the video as possible (which you succeeded in).
  • Don't bother filming intermediate skiiers skiing not particularly amazingly, unless the video is for your group viewing only.
  • All cameras particularly fish-eye types flatten the terrain terribly, try to use tricks to make the terrain look steeper. This is not cheating, rather making the terrain look the way it actually is. Some pro mountain bike photographers are especially good at this .
  • It's so damn easy to have mediocre footage and hard to have anything worthwhile. You are better off leaving the average stuff out of the video and making it shorter, people have such short attention spans anyhow.

Good point, thanks for the help👍
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by soporific View Post

I preferred the first video.  (first being 2nd edit)

Basically it didn't have as much stick camera, which I just don't get into and the video seemed to flow better.  One thing I would add though is to raise your camera up on your head mount shots as a lot of the time we were just seeing skis and knees without terrain, or at least terrain that I could make sense of (in the 1st video).  Have you tried shooting 4:3 superview?

I did think most of the 2nd/3rd person shots were pretty compelling and even though I'm not a fan of stick cams, the camera tosses were interesting.

Overall though, the videos were compelling enough for me to sit through. wink.gif

What are you shooting at?  1080p/60 frames?  Protune on?

-Mike

I was shooting 1080/60 but as I have hero 3+silver, I don't hqve protune or superiew... That's good that they kept you watching through, that's what I was going for
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