I just picked up a new pair of size 26.5 Lang RX 130 L.V. (Low Volume model) boots this weekend that my local mountain shops bootfitters selected for me. I've skied two days on them since getting them Saturday morning. I'm a little concerned with the way these were molded and would value some insight to how these were fit.
When describing my skill level, and how I was hoping the boot to fit a nice junior boot fitter at the shop had me try on a few low volume boots. I was shell fit to the Lang 130's and when trying them on out of the box the fit just clicked with me immediately. I flexed the boot well and after wearing them around the shop I had the micro adjust buckles close to right and was amazed at how well the lowers held my foot in a firm handshake fit and was not forced to crank down the buckles to have a no slop fit. Even with underfoot bed shims I normally have had to crank the buckles down to take up volume and dealt with the buckle pain. There was mild toe bump but that was expected - especially with my larger foot. I couldn't believe how close to perfect these boots were and was pumped!
Here is where I am confused. The junior fitter picked me some super feet that were red "high volume" beds, I stopped him and told him that I've used those for years and feel that these boots fit so well that I felt I didn't the high volume beds. He went back and picked up some Super Feet pinks saying these had a lower volume and they felt fine when standing on them. I put on socks with urethane toe caps. He heated my liners for 10 minutes, popped in the Super Feet and I then wore the boots clamped down FAR tighter than I had before. I didn't understand this process and he explained that this was to firmly mold the liners to my shell. I learned after paying for them the pink Super Feet are also high volume footbeds, just a different arch shapre more intended for women but if they fit I'm all for it. It just seemed odd that such a well fitting boot needed a high volume footbed. I normally use those in boots that have too much volume or have packed out.
After the very tight and intense molding, the boots now seem sloppy. I talked to the fitter repeatedly about this and he reheated the liners from both boots at different times with a heat gun to relax the liners compression some what, but they really aren't the same as new at all. When reheating I wasn't told this but a 1mm shim was inserted under my smaller foots footbed. Then today a 1mm shim that placed under my larger foots foot bed. I was really hoping to avoid this until the liners were starting to pack out later on. I won't know how to address liner pack out later in the life of the boot if I am running shims the firt weekend I own the boots. Do I have other opinions to address loss of liner volume down the road that I am not aware of?
I am now over tightening the buckles to take up room in the boot very much like every boot I've ever owned. When a senior boot fitter talked to me at the shop today when I returned he seemed to think I needed a lower volume boot and suggested that likely have poor skiing technique was causing the sloppy feeling in the boots. I said, that I didn't come into the shop asking for these boots and I was put in them because the junior fitter seemed to think I was flexing through the other low flex index boots and was listening to my request for a low volume fit due to my past fit experience. I restated that I came in looking for a mid flex boot low volume boot and after flexing out all of the 100 and 110 boots, I was shell fit and these Lang 130's were suggested to me. I wouldn't doubt that I have poor technique, I am investing in new boots this year to improve my abilities and take lessons this winter to commit to skiing full time. I am open to hear what I can change with how I ski to address the fit and am willing to take any advice. I am over the front of the boots when I ski however, and I do feel them flexing when I drive through my rookie parallel turns. I am also feeling boot slop and I'm unsure how I can change that with my ski technique.
Now that I have two shims and looser than new feeling boots I am starting to suspect that the liners were over compressed during the molding process and I am suspecting that the the junior fitter kept the fact that he volume shimmed the footbeds shims from me to cover this fact but I would love to get some input. As it stands I feel as thought I spent quite a bit of money to own new boots that have liners that are already packed out. They are only going to get more loose from here on out and I was hoping to get a few seasons out of these boots.
Can I get a second opinion on what happened here? Is there a way to "unmold" the liners so they are not compressed to the extent they are? I'd love a little perspective on this. My shop has a guaranteed boot fit policy and I feel like they will help me get these right, I just don't know if the senior fitter knows how the boots were fitted to me before I skied in them. I would really just like to have a pair of unmolded liners at this point to get my volume that seems to have been lost back. Also, please let me know if I'm off base here.
Sorry for the long post I'm pretty beat after skiing today. Hopefully I covered all the bases.
Thanks for any advice.
Edited by Flatfoot - 1/18/15 at 11:12pm