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My bootfitter wants to put me in Fischer Vacuum boots: I'm not so sure

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Like Contesstant, who posted a thread on here recently, I'm a female (5'10, 165 lb, level 8 skier) who has very narrow feet.Without orthotics, I have an A frame. I'm currently in Lange RS120 boots with custom foam liners. I have footbeds made by Jim Lindsay at BOOTech that addressed my collapsed arch and put me in neutral. Jim spent a lot of time with me and helped to greatly improve my skiing and was the first person ever to vastly improve my skiing stance. If I lived in CO I'd go revisit him, but I'm in PA.The cuffs of my Langes (great boots that they are) still push me to my inside edges because my tibias are bowed. Jim and I talked about my tibia shape and he assurred me that no, I'm not deformed and others have leg shapes like me. But I've noticed that I'm on my inside edges more as I started recreational racing this season.

Also, my boots used to have canted soles because a former bootfitter decided to address my A frame that way, but then they were planed flat when it was determined that the canting was not helping my stance. The planing has resulted in the bottoms of my boots (specifically the right one) not being completely flat; it rocks from side to side a bit. This is also the side where my foot is on the inside edge more.

I have a bootfitter here in PA whom I like very much and who will do anything to make things work. He's great at fitting but he is not an alignment master which is why I had my footbeds made elsewhere. He says that the un-flat boots may be contributing to my riding my inside edge and that new shells would help a lot. I tend to agree, but I also think that the cuff alignment, or lack thereof, on my Langes is a bigger issue: With my curved tibia, I don't think I can get the cuff adjusted at the correct angle so my leg is centered inside.

My bootfitter told me that next year, he would be set up to do Fischer Vacuum boots and I should wait till then and that will take care of my narrow feet AND cuff issue. After reading a bunch of threads, I'm not sure the Vacuum boots are the ticket, and I am not sure I want him to mold the boots if he doesn't have that much experience with the Fischers. I need a race boot for my narrow feet, and I want a race boot.

So, here's my question: Would Fischer Vacuum boots mold the cuffs so they would fit my curved tibias and would they work for my very narrow feet? Or would I be better off with a standard race boot or plug boot? What boots have good bilateral cuff adjustment? I was looking at the Head Raptor line....is this a possibility? My bootfitter doesn't have race boots in stock but he does sell them and can get boots in that I'd like to try. What do you all suggest?
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Lots of interesting questions and comments here.  Some of us sell Fischer boots while others don't, hopefully as we reply everyone will let you know who is who.

 

I don't, but was fit in a pair, skied them and walked away.  I have a "C" width 27 foot and was given a wide, high volume pair and told they could be shrunk onto my foot and would ski great.  They skied like the great big high volume loose fitting boots they were.  So I don't believe that portion of the story works.  However, a good boot fitting shop would not use the system that way and would start with an appropriately sized shell to begin with.  For me though I see the system primarily as something to help shops that lack boot fitting skills turn out slightly better than average products.

 

That said I have customers who ski the boot and are very happy with the alignment feature, so I trust that also.  However, They don't make a narrower boot than anyone else so the system will not help with that portion from my experience.  Also the system will not achieve changes to shell shape for foot abnormalities greater or even close to what a good fitter with proper tools can achieve.  It is not a panacea.

 

You don't say what your foot width is but there are plenty of narrow boots out there, especially for someone your height and ski level.  That part shouldn't be a problem.  

 

It sounds as if you have tibial varum, which indeed would make you excessively pronated and Jim was a great choice for foot orthotics.  One thing that puzzles me though is you say you spend a lot of time on your inside edges, and tibial varum would typically have you on the outside or using a wide stance to get your skis flat.      HMMMMMMMMMMM!

 

I'm from York, what about you?

 

Lou

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Lou,

I grew up in Lancaster! Didn't plan on staying in PA but I ended up marrying a guy from PA and I'm now in Kutztown where my husband is a professor at the university. Not exactly ski country but I make it work:-)

Back to boots.....

Yep, as I understand it, tibial varum is a bowed lower leg, and that's me.

My foot measures 88.9mm across the widest part. I have, and need, Sidas custom foam liners for my 97-last Lange RS120's (25.5 mondo).

And yes, I'm on my inside edges, not the outside edges. Sideslipping with the right ski down hill is way hard....I can't tip my knee enough to flatten the ski. My edge also catches when trying to spin 360 degrees to the right. Not that I need to do that, but it's an indicator to me, of lack of flatness on that ski.

Jim LIndsay had me try on a Rossi ZB plug boot, and besides it being a little too stiff, the fit was superb out of the box. I was scared of the idea of plug boots at that point so I didn't get the ZA, which he recommended.

I'm thinking this is the route I should go now, since I love a high performance boot and I'm starting to race more. How much can I adjust the cuffs in the Rossi ZA, or maybe the Head B3?

A skier friend of mine had Fischer Vacuums for her narrow feet and went through more adjustments than anyone I know to get them to work. I really like my boot fitter here, but he has no working experience with them. And I love being able to put my boots in my heated boot bag before skiing....with the Vacuums, that may not be a good idea.
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Absolutely you should get the plug boot.  B3 from Head ZA from Rossi.  Really doesn't matter which they are more alike than dissimilar.  You will love they way they ski.  Don't be afraid of the flex, it will work great.  I wouldn't get any softened until you have skied them.  

 

Personally I'd stay away from the Fischer since your guy isn't familiar.  I'm still not getting your alignment but it sounds it is outside the amount of cuff adjustment built into anyone's boot.

 

Lou

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post


Personally I'd stay away from the Fischer since your guy isn't familiar.  I'm still not getting your alignment but it sounds it is outside the amount of cuff adjustment built into anyone's boot.

Lou

Yeah, the alignment thing is weird. And I agree with you about the Fischer boots; my boot guy was so keen to mold them for me so he's going to be disappointed. But he can work on plug boots so that's a plus.
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