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need heel and toe tread pads for Rossi Course E boots vintage 1996 - sources ? also, safety question

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I'd been waiting for the plastic to start fatiguing on my Rossignol Course E boots which I bought in fall 1996, and it happened, but in one of the heel pads, which crumbled at the back edge.  Looked around online and I found one source for replacement pads that only shows applications back to 2005.

 

While doing this search, I learned what a score I had with these boots, and why they've been so outstanding for the last 18 years.

 

While I agree that I've gotten my money's worth out of them, I also don't see a reason to stop using them, since the heel pad is replaceable, and they're still fantastic.

 

If you have an explanation based on chemistry why the heel pad crumbling at the back edge where the boot first contacts the ground in a step, is a sign that the (different ?) plastics in the shell may also be degrading, please share it.

 

If you can suggest a source for a replacement heel pad, that would be fantastic.

 

Last, a bit of boot mechanics.  My lay knowledge tells me that the heel pad can't be involved in the friction interaction with the rear binding (Look P10) since that releases up.  Moreover, if a part of the heel pad is missing, it by definition can't be involved in the friction interaction since it isn't there.  If you have a physics explanation for why this line of reasoning is wrong and I should absolutely not wear the boot with the heel pad damaged, because it could prevent safe binding release, please share it.  The top of the heel block where it mates with the rear binding is not compromised.

 

Thanks all !

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I was unable to find toe blocks for a 5 y/o pair of Solly's. 1996? Seriously? As far as safety toe block wear would be a bigger issue, but as long as the toe height is within spec (0.5 mm test card between the AFD and the sole) you should be ok. I won't comment on plastic fatigue but I'm sure someone will. 

 

BTW what's your source for replacement pads that goes back to 2005--if they carry Salomon maybe I can get what I need. I just looked again on line and notice that the sites that offer replacement pads are all in the UK. I guess brits hang on to their boots longer than North Americans.

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Welcome to Epicski.

 

First of all thanks for the link, I'll file that one.

 

As to the Rossi, I also still have my Course E's, about the same vintage.  You are going to find that if the plastic is failing and the boot hasn't self destructed yet, take it as a hint to replace them.  There is a good picture of a Rossi Course boot failure were the entire front of the boot broke off.  You don't want to experience that.  So take the hint of the small failure.

 

Plastics unfortunately off gas which leads to failure.  Some worse than others.  So there is a life to them so 18 years is pretty good and god know how many days skiing.  They made their money for you, now you deserve something better.

 

You'll find that Lange's  and Rossi boots now should still fit you and are likely better performing, and the new liner will also make a difference.  I switched to a 2008 Lange WC130 my avatar  (new old stock) when small plastic bits started breaking about 3 years ago.  Since you skied in a race boot and the Course E's I would suggest a 130 stiffness in the race boot of the Lange or Rossi (Same boots just different colours) which should match the feel and performance of what you had.

 

Cheers,

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rockin', right up my alley.  When I was in high school (78-82) all the cool kids (the ones that were good skiers) had those waybad orange Lange boots, and not for stylin but because they were good boots.  I was looking at the current generation of Lange's, and thinking that I should probably not go to the RS because I don't race and won't get the value out of its advantages but will miss the creature comforts in the RX.  I been blessed with awesome equipment for the last 20 years that I was able to learn into; it wasn't clear to me until yesterday that the Course E was the consumer version of the XK but after reading some articles from 1993 I realize what I was benefitting from.

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rockin', right up my alley.  When I was in high school (78-82) all the cool kids (the ones that were good skiers) had those waybad orange Lange boots, and not for stylin but because they were good boots.

I had Hanson Citations then Nordica Comps during that time period.  Class of 82!:beercheer:

 

The Comps went in to storage around Y2k but emerged with a couple cracks in the shells around 2006:hissyfit:

 

Sucks to break in new boots, but go do it.  Get them from a real store and not online if you possibly can.  If you do go DIY.... Don't get them too big.  If they don't feel REALLY tight initially they WILL be too BIG before you are finished breaking them in/packing out the liners over several ski days.  Also, check to see if the liners need to be baked.  Just about everyone else here will strongly recommend that you buy boots from a brick and mortar ski shop and have them professionally fit.  They are usually right about these things..

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The original Course series was the Course K which was so stiff. I tried one and could not flex it a room temp. The Course E came out about 2 years later and was meant for normal Racers. This one I could just flex. I remember buy the this boot. A Lange too small, a Course K just right but impossible to flex, or the Course E shade large, I ended up with the E's and loved them. Now I have Langes just right biggrin.gif .
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thanks all, looking at the lange's, the pads for the course-e's seem like a no-op.  checking a few more possibilities but otherwise it's time for new boots.  hope they're as good as the course-e's...

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Rossi service replied that they haven't had pads for the Course E's in 8 years and don't have a source anymore anywhere.  I guess they're carving off into the sunset :(

 

Which led me to get myself off to a very good ski shop here last night before today's lame snow "storm" and get Lange RX130s.  Worked with a great salesperson (Larry at Ski Haus in Brewster NY) and we walked through fit and flex.  I think we ended up both comfortable with the notion that with my current style and where I want to go, 130 would not be too much.  Spent a couple 1/2 hour sessions getting the liners used to my feet, will do more before rolling them onto snow.  Will post in boots forum with results.

 

Thanks all for your comments and stories, this seems like a great (deep knowledge) community ! :)

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