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Look Pivot 14 vs 18

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I picked up a new pair of skis today. I ordered them with Pivot 14s, but they arrived with Pivot 18s. I talked to the shop, and they were happy for me either keep the 18s, or give me a new set up with the 14s I ordered.

My DIN setting is 8.5. The 18s have a lowest setting of 8.

I'm inclined to return these and get the 14s I originally wanted because I'm a little concerned that I'm too close to the bottom of the DIN range.

Am I being overly cautious, and would the 18s would be fine for me? Or am I better off to return them as planned?
post #2 of 20
The din range doesn't matter one bit as long as you are in it.
I would keep the 18s since they are metal and will last forever personally. They also have a different toe than the 12 and 14.
post #3 of 20

The 18 is a better binding, not because of  DIN range but a superior housing. Keep them run them at 8 and enjoy your good fortune. 

post #4 of 20

Well, they are a more powerful binding, but they weigh a metric ton and they do not have upward release at the toe. I'd have a hard time advising anyone who isn't asking for the 18/180 to buy it. It's for a skier that accepts the mantra "never fall slow".

post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

Well, they are a more powerful binding, but they weigh a metric ton and they do not have upward release at the toe. I'd have a hard time advising anyone who isn't asking for the 18/180 to buy it. It's for a skier that accepts the mantra "never fall slow".

It's not like they weigh as much as a PX18..or a Kneebinding. 

post #6 of 20

Touché

post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

Well, they are a more powerful binding, but they weigh a metric ton and they do not have upward release at the toe. I'd have a hard time advising anyone who isn't asking for the 18/180 to buy it. It's for a skier that accepts the mantra "never fall slow".
If you turn the din down and rotate the toe I'm pretty sure the p18 toe does have upward release. Both rossi and look advertise that they have 180 release.
post #8 of 20
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If you turn the din down and rotate the toe I'm pretty sure the p18 toe does have upward release. Both rossi and look advertise that they have 180 release.

No. PX/Pivot 14's toes and down can release upwards, PX/Pivot 15 toes and up can not (same applies for the Rossi equivalents). There used to be a good video that showed this but it got removed. The best description is the 15/18 toes allow only so much upward movement before they impact on the ski top with the forward portion of the binding. The 14's and down the wings move up until the pivot and the toe releases.

I prefer the 15 and up toes because they have a more consistent release feel and are not made of plastic. If you expect your binding survive hard use go with the 15 and up, if not the lighter 14 and down will work fine.
post #9 of 20

I use the 18 on most of my free skis.  I suspected it didn'tt have upward release, but never really noticed the lack of an upward release.  When I release, it tends to be from the heel.

post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post


No. PX/Pivot 14's toes and down can release upwards, PX/Pivot 15 toes and up can not (same applies for the Rossi equivalents). There used to be a good video that showed this but it got removed. The best description is the 15/18 toes allow only so much upward movement before they impact on the ski top with the forward portion of the binding. The 14's and down the wings move up until the pivot and the toe releases.

I prefer the 15 and up toes because they have a more consistent release feel and are not made of plastic. If you expect your binding survive hard use go with the 15 and up, if not the lighter 14 and down will work fine.

 

This thread contains quotes from Rossignol categorically stating the 18s DO have vertical release.  E.g. "The illustration on line is misleading. The FKS 180 works off of a pivot where the whole toe piece moves. The FKS 140 has moveable toe wings only. Both bindings provide the same 180 degree multidirectional release, just in different ways. Also the FKS 180 has an all metal housing for the toe piece."

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/248330-Ski-quot-feel-quot-differences-FKS-Pivot-14-vs-18

post #11 of 20
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This thread contains quotes from Rossignol categorically stating the 18s DO have vertical release.  E.g. "The illustration on line is misleading. The FKS 180 works off of a pivot where the whole toe piece moves. The FKS 140 has moveable toe wings only. Both bindings provide the same 180 degree multidirectional release, just in different ways. Also the FKS 180 has an all metal housing for the toe piece."

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/248330-Ski-quot-feel-quot-differences-FKS-Pivot-14-vs-18

I have a 15/18 toe and no they do not release straight up, motion is limited enough to prevent the release, diagonally yes, no issues.  On the 14's and below yes they release straight up.

 

On Teton they had the video posted that actually showed the difference, but it has since been removed (or made private).

post #12 of 20
http://m.rossignol.com/US/US/axial-180-mfx-white-red--2014--RCDA001--product--alpine-men-bindings.html

Anyone care to explain why the p18 race binder with the same toe is advertised as 180 release, and the rossignal tech manual states it does too?
post #13 of 20

Easy, do what they did in the video.

 

Put a boot in, take a scewdriver/pry bar and lift the toe straight up.  Won't pop out.  Will on a 14 though.

 

Disclaimer: At your own risk for damage/injury to yourself or equipment.

 

I didn't understand the difference until I saw it on the video.

 

BTW I like the binding and personally thinks its better than 14's.

post #14 of 20
The single pivot toe can release vertically in theory, but the heel has to move backwards further than it probably can if your forward pressure is correct. Which is another matter.

That said, it is my binding of choice on skis where I have a choice.

jl
post #15 of 20
Im still rocking a geze toe FKS 120, so I'm more core than you, brah.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

Just an update to the original post.  

 

I had a release check done with the Pivot 18s this morning, and both toes and both heels tested on the number for an 8.5 release value.  That's good enough for me.  As long as they release properly when I need them too, I can live with a few extra ounces per foot.

post #17 of 20
Nice! You now have bindings that will outlast multiple skis.
post #18 of 20
I've got 6 pairs and just rotate them on to new skis.
post #19 of 20
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I've got 6 pairs and just rotate them on to new skis.

6 pair? Kids. 

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6 pair? Kids. 


Nice, Very Nice!

The bindings I mean smile.gif
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