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A frame correction

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

I "A frame" with my right leg. It is my slightly weaker leg. On a single leg drill I can ski straight on my left leg but when I try the same drill on the right leg I quickly turn to the left. It's as if my right ankle collapses into against the inside of the boot while the left foot/ankle simply folds straight forward so during the left ski only drill the ski track straight ahead. Static boot fitting does not show my right knee tracking to the inside. Repeated ski lessons have only resulted in continued advice to "not A frame". Any suggestions for a boot adjustment that might reduce the problem?

post #2 of 15

how is the shell fit of the boot?


have you tried to adjust the "problem" leg upper cuff at all?

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Fischer Vacuum 110 with intuition liner (added for warmth) Surefoot footbed adjusted to reduce arch support for improved comfort on problem leg. A small heel wedge was added on the inside edge under the footbed but did not seem to help. A large heel wedge was uncomfortable.
Canting was tried on a previous boot but no help. The right ankle continued to roll inward.
Tried the Foot Foundation full length shims but there was not enough room inside my boot to use more than a minimum correction.
Have not moved cuff since boot fitter said heat fitting took care of Cuff issues.
post #4 of 15

Can be a difficult problem and can only offer some tips.  First work systematically.  Make only one change at a time.  This problem is probably more often under the foot than cuff alignment.


Fischer system should take care of cuff alignment, but your tech assuming 100 percent perfection.  Don't go there.


Foot Foundation shims of any substantial size don't fit well in many boots and as you've seen simply cause more problems.


Surefoot footbeds are made using a system that if not properly employed by techs makes a footbed with improper rearfoot/forefoot alignment.  Trying looking there with someone well trained in footbeds alignment.  Not most ski shops.


When that is dialed in if problem persists work with cuff alignment.


What skis and bindings are you using?



post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
The foot beds were examined, planed and posted by Greg H. In Vail so I think they are appropriate for me. If I did make a cuff adjustment do I move it toward the inside or outside? Frankly I've been told both ways! Thanks in advance.
post #6 of 15
While seated on the floor with your back against a wall, when your kneecaps are pointed upward are both yor feet at similar opposed angles? Wear shorts.

post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
The right foot is turned more to the right than the left is turned left. I tried this both visually and with my eyes closed using my fingers to determine when the kneecaps were level. Seated in this position with my heels together my toes are at least 60 degrees apart.
post #8 of 15

Now in a seated position--Do the same maneuver but this time line the feet straight upward, then role the right ankle side ways both to the inside and outside----see which movement causes your knee to go to a  straight up position---if you can move your ankle and get a straight up knee, have some one measure how much ankle roll produces the straight up knee position, if it does.  Try posting the part of the foot (probably your forefoot)that produced the correction.   Then go ski to see if this works.


PM me if this works



post #9 of 15
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Maybe I'm doing this wrong or maybe my anatomy is not like you expected. Seated on floor as before with feet pointing up moving ankles left and right does not move the knee either way. Absolutely no cause and effect between ankle and knee in this exercise, the way I'm doing it.


post #10 of 15

The anatomical term for for rolling your ankles is inversion and eversion which would be like rolling your ankle inside and outside inside your boots---try having someone hold your feet straight up for you while your knees are locked in a straight legged position as you try the inversion/eversion maneuver with your feet see if your knee caps roll to a vertical position during any of the movements


"much ankle roll produces the straight up knee position, if it does."  I did have an "out" if this didn't work for you.



post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

OK, On my own this week so it will be a few days before I can do the fixed feet test.

post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Both knees react similarly in this test. When I roll my ankles to the outside both knees square up, pointing straight up. When I roll my ankles inside the knees move to the inside.
Since posting this I've noticed that when I do a simple stretch, on my back, pulling my knees to my chest, my left knee moves straight back toward my left chest while the right knee moves outside and requires pressure from both hands to pull the knee into a straight line to my right chest.
I suspect the source of my knee alignment problem may be in my hip and possibly an anatomical imbalance.
post #13 of 15
I agree with your last paragraph in your last post. It sounds like, from your description that you may have a contracted ( or tight) hip abductor or hip rotator. If this is what is going on, you might need to see a good trainer, or if perhaps you have a nerve issue, a neurologist.

Good luck getting this sorted out.

Edited by miketsc - 1/26/15 at 6:59am
post #14 of 15
Good luck

Edited by miketsc - 1/26/15 at 7:01am
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks to all for their input.


Maybe I've been concentrating on the wrong parts of the leg.


I'm going to work on the hip with some PT for a while before making any other changes.

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