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What jr ski for SuperG training camp?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hi, second year U14 doing a 3 day speed camp. 150 cm tall in sock feet, 76lbs. Current gs is 156 volkl. Thinking a longer jr softer GS ski that is used (even softer) in a 165 or 170 is the best option. Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

Thanks

post #2 of 20

I would suggest a bit longer ski (170-175) but still in a youth model so about a 19 or 21 M radius - depends.  Prob you will find most Jr skis in a 19..  156 to 165 is not a very big jump.  15 cm is only about 6 inches.  He prob will not notice the difference in length in SG coursework and training.  

post #3 of 20

I too have a speed camp coming up, but with a first year U14, 152 cm and 43.5 kg/95lbs girl. So a tad bigger than yours. We did our first speed camp last year, in second year U12 which is the norm over here, and then she went on her GS skis. So much fun. A little shaky on GS skis (155) but almost ok. Courses was more like a really wide JR GS.

A little bit depending on how they set the courses, you might want to consider a 175 JR SG ski with the longer turning radius, normally 27-28 m compared to 19-21 for a 175 cm GS ski. The SG ski will be softer too, designed for a U14. A 175 GS will be a tweener ski, might be stiff for 76 lbs? We went with SG skis (second hand) this year, as they will set wider and faster courses.

post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post
 

I too have a speed camp coming up, but with a first year U14, 152 cm and 43.5 kg/95lbs girl. So a tad bigger than yours. We did our first speed camp last year, in second year U12 which is the norm over here, and then she went on her GS skis. So much fun. A little shaky on GS skis (155) but almost ok. Courses was more like a really wide JR GS.

A little bit depending on how they set the courses, you might want to consider a 175 JR SG ski with the longer turning radius, normally 27-28 m compared to 19-21 for a 175 cm GS ski. The SG ski will be softer too, designed for a U14. A 175 GS will be a tweener ski, might be stiff for 76 lbs? We went with SG skis (second hand) this year, as they will set wider and faster courses.

 

 

Same here 156cm 98lb first year U14 and we got a pair of 3 year old Atomic Super G in a 175 (27M turn)in great condition.    She did speed camp last week and used both her 165 GS and the Super G skis due to some binding problems we are having with the Atomic NEOX binding.  She was significantly faster on the Super G skis on the same course.  In hindsight, she could easily have gone with a 180 and maybe even a 185 Super G ski since the 175 was so hard to find.  Assuming we get the binding problem resolved she will definitely be racing on the SG skis next week and not her GS skis.

post #5 of 20

Went with 186 Rossis from yesteryears. Great shape and thoroughly waxed in though (SG:s don't get a lot of milage, so even 5-6 year old skis can be almost as new). Leaving Wednesday night for a 4-day speed bonanza--two days practice and then SG and GS racing.

post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 

Sorry for the delayed response but I had a 3 day race weekend :) Given the feed back here I will try to rent some 175 SGs for the camp as it does sound like it will be best.

 

Thanks for the help!

post #7 of 20

I will have my 152cm/91lbs on 171/20m - this is Ontario you are talking about so they will try to cram as many gates as possible. If you go above 23/25m radius he'll have issues...

 

cheers,

raz

post #8 of 20
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I will have my 152cm/91lbs on 171/20m - this is Ontario you are talking about so they will try to cram as many gates as possible. If you go above 23/25m radius he'll have issues...

 

cheers,

raz

 I suspect the 175ish SG's should be in that range but will compare what is available for rent.

 

Thanks for the heads up.

post #9 of 20
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 I suspect the 175ish SG's should be in that range but will compare what is available for rent.

 

Thanks for the heads up.

for his height and weight - I don't know how well he skis, but I wouldn't put mine on a 175/23 - I have one but choose not to. the course itself will have 2-3 gates at above 25m, the rest is gliding and rollers, but I don't suspect the training courses will have anything above 25m and quite offset and I want to give him a chance to work on turn shape and stance transitions and stuff, so I am going with the 20m ski. Should be plenty stable for jumping and speed on those hills.

 

cheers,

raz

post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by CanadianQuad View Post

 I suspect the 175ish SG's should be in that range but will compare what is available for rent.

Thanks for the heads up.

175 is the shortest JR SG, intended for U12/U14. They have 27-28m radius. Ask the camp organiser about what type of courses they intend to set so you can get the appropriate ski.
post #11 of 20
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Checked the 174 SG rentals -were 29m. Will confirm with coaches re radius as I recall they were talking low-mid 20's.

 

Thanks all!!

post #12 of 20

great - i guess his coach's reasoning is close to mine above :rolleyes .... I coached that camp last year :cool

 

have fun - maybe run into each-other.

 

cheers,

raz

post #13 of 20
Just for reference, this year the training courses were set around 30m so a SG ski would help a strong athlete... but I still think not for 78lb ... a 23m would be plenty challenging...

Cheers
post #14 of 20
Our first experience with r28 m SG (186) summed up: Was a little unsure about it perhaps being too much, but don't worry. A 175-180 cm JR SG with r27-28 is designed for 11-12 year old kids. I think it will be easier to bend for a light kid than a r23m GS ski and, depending on the course set, perhaps provide a cleaner turn and more stability at high speeds. In this camp they raced a 1100 meter (3600-3700 ft) course with a 990 feet drop. Fastest kids did it in 55 seconds with a 16-17 second span to the tail ... average speeds of 66-72 km/h, roughly 42-44 mph.
Edited by Karlsson - 1/26/15 at 2:11pm
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post

Our first experience with r28 m SG (186) summed up: Was a little unsure about it perhaps being too much, but don't worry. A 175-180 cm JR SG with r27-28 is designed for 11-12 year old kids. I think it will be easier to bend for a light kid than a r23m GS ski and, depending on the course set, perhaps provide a cleaner turn and more stability at high speeds. In this camp they raced a 1100 meter (3600-3700 ft) course with a 990 feet drop. Fastest kids did it in 55 seconds with a 16-17 second span to the tail ... average speeds of 66-72 km/h, roughly 42-44 mph.


yes!  the SG will have a better flex for a lightweight kid than a 23m GS built for (up to) WC women

post #16 of 20
Agreed that SG has a better flex. If you run 23m GS skis it's actually better to look for an older well-used pair since they will have softened up.
post #17 of 20

Another data point - my 1st year U16 daughter (153cm/95lb) is on 175cm GS and 186cm SG. She's actually thinking SG may be a tad short.

I echoed others - it depends on the racer's strength & skills and I believe U16 course set is little longer (~25m gates for GS?) so longer skis make sense.

post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by hobieboy View Post
 

Another data point - my 1st year U16 daughter (153cm/95lb) is on 175cm GS and 186cm SG. She's actually thinking SG may be a tad short.

I echoed others - it depends on the racer's strength & skills and I believe U16 course set is little longer (~25m gates for GS?) so longer skis make sense.


if you are looking for something longer i have an Atomic 195/28m Junior SG available, really cheap! :)

post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the comments and recommendations. From my club the broad recommendations were skis sized 10-15cm longer than the athlete's GS skis with a ski turn radius between 23-30m.

 

For the girls, If they are on the light weight side or the not so aggressive side of the spectrum then 10cm longer then their GS ski length is recommended .  If they are on the heavier side or the more aggressive side of the spectrum then 15cm longer then their GS skis is recommended.  

 
For the boys, if they are on the light weight side then 10 cm longer then their GS ski length is recommended. If they are heavier or more aggressive then 15cm to 20cm longer then their GS skis is recommended.
 
That said I also talked to lead coach about it and his opinion was my lightweight could handle a used 175 gs w. 23m radius.
 
Based on this I'm going cheapest route and I am borrowing a friends older daughters 175 gs skis for 50 bucks, with a full race tune and remount of the bindings included. Will find out in a few weeks how well it works.
 
Thanks again
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 


As an update the 175 23m gs worked out fine for speed camp. Kid had fun and did not have issues with length etc. Made all gates in sg race and finished with about typical placement in pack.

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