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post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
Do you use it? Does it seem to help? How large a dosage?
post #2 of 39
what is the purpose for using glucosamine?
post #3 of 39
gluco. helps keep your joints and cartladge
healthy and lubricated so it can stretch and bend without tears or pain. I highly recommend it for anyone who doesnt want arthritis.
post #4 of 39
Can't ski without it (plus a little Advil). I get mine at GNC and only take the dosage recommended on the bottle (two pills a day). Glucosamine works best when paired with Chondroitin Sulfate. Added Shark cartilage is a plus.

post #5 of 39
I know unfortunately far too many ski pros who have had serious knee and/or spinal injuries -- and many of them really swear by the stuff. Since its clear from research that the placebo effect is enormously powerful I'm supicious of many supplements - however I've had a couple of vet friends tell me it also works on dogs, who aren't too likely to be experiencing much of a placebo effect, so I'll bet it really does work!
post #6 of 39
Here are some links for you so you can decide for yourself. I use this product for my horse and have friends that use it for their dogs with great success. Animal grade can be purchased through a company called Spring Time.


Quackery Related Topics - glucosamine

Note that some ppl with sensitivity to shell fish sometimes have a reaction to these supplements.
post #7 of 39
There are MANY threads on this in the archives.
post #8 of 39
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by worldfishnski:
There are MANY threads on this in the archives.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmmm I did a search and found only this thread. Is there somewhere else to look?

Perhaps the original poster was looking for fresh information - recent studies.

post #9 of 39
Sugar Snack - thanks for the info on Springtime. We put one of our dogs on Glucosomine/Chondro this summer as we were doing lots of dog packing. Really seems to help him. Now that we have him off the meds he has gone back to getting stiff after short runs.
post #10 of 39
Yes. Its used quite often with racing greyhounds.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 03, 2001 11:17 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Lisamarie ]</font>
post #11 of 39
NICE !! I think that a run to the local GNC is in order. With two bad shoulders, and one bad knee, i need something short of a mircle and a couple of sessions under the butcher's block would do some good. What are some of the side effects? From the poeple on this forum that have taken this.
post #12 of 39
I now take glucosamine to help assure that I can ski another 40 or 50 years. In addition to being in the pharmaceutical business for 20 years, I've also been learning a lot about supplements recently.
As you all know, many of the large drug firms are beginning to sell natural supplements that have proven efficacy, including glucosamine, gingko, St. John's Wort, Saw Palmetto, Co-enzyme Q10, L-arginine, etc. Reason being, they work in approximately the same percentage of patients for whom prescription drugs work (about two-thirds). You may notice that when your physician prescribes a drug, you will frequently get a sample or another prescription to use if the first one doesn't work for you. Same thing with the above-mentioned supplements. If you try them for a reasonable amount of time and they don't seem to work for you, try another, or check with an M.D. who stays current on natural supplements and see if it is time to try a drug.
It looks like Congress will soon pass a bill allowing supplements to be covered (just like prescriptions) by insurance companies.
Side note: Recent medical research has shown that humans produce enough natural chondroitin--it's the glucosamine we lack. So, save yourself the expense of a combo product. It is also not known what happens long-term when supplemental chondroitin is added to what we naturally produce.
My doctor (he's an M.D.) suggested I buy my glucosamine from the Rexall company to save money. He likes them because Rexall gets all the QA awards and has "been around since 1903 and knows what they're doing". I buy 180 caps for $16. I've never seen that quality at that price anywhere else. I understand that he is a Rexall distributor and therefore might make money from what I buy. If he can make anything at $16, good for him. If you're interested in checking out his site and the Rexall online catalog:

Glucosamine link- 'Osteo-Essentials'

Dr. Cobble's Rexall site

Ski long and prosper!!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 02, 2001 11:04 PM: Message edited 1 time, by endlessseason ]</font>
post #13 of 39
I use 1200 mg of glucosamine AND 800 mg of chondroitin daily. Been using it for about 5 years. I take 2 pills--600 gluco and 400 chon. twice a day. cosamin has has both in a pill. Started using it when the VET prescribed it for the dog. I started taking his and it seems to work--arf-arf. At any rate have continued with those quan, daily in seperate pills. Today, I`m not sure if it helps. Would have to go off to determine.
post #14 of 39
Notice that Lisamarie mentioned how greyhounds like our pet adopted racer get glucosamine, but not that it helped me too [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The Greyhound email-list GH-L (web access http://www.greyhoundlist.org) is loaded with success stories of older hounds bouncing back from being on glucosamine.

It's only anecdotal evidence from me, but my experience the 500mg gluco/day 2-3 times per day I take have helped my aging creaky joints quite a bit. (I take it in a capsule of 500 glucosamine/400 chondroitin.) And I'm convinced that taking it at a higher amount 1500 3x day while also doing physical therapy helped me fully recover more quickly from an MCL sprain in early 2000.

By the way, I switched our greyhound to a food that has glucosamine in it about three months ago (Eukanuba Large Breed) - Giselle seems friskier! She was already on a "premium" food but it didn't have glucosamine in it. As Todd pointed out, probably not a placebo effect in dogs.

Woof woof.
post #15 of 39
Hey Mark (and other dog owners out there). I was just about to suggest a absolutely fabulous dog food that has Glucosamine in it (not all their products have Glucosamine). I use it for my trials/hunting dog (Black Lab) and while he is still young and his joints are in great shape the food made a huge difference in the quality of his coat and...umm....stools (ick). It helped with gas too.

I did a lot of research on dog food for what should and shouldn't be in it and this brand fit the bill plus it has endorsements from some great organizations. It's called Nutro (they have cat food too). Here's the link:

Nutro Pet Products

Pet Smart is now carrying this food. I can't say enough good things about it.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 03, 2001 11:06 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #16 of 39
Earlier in this post I mentioned a company called Springtime for animal grade Condrotin. They have products for horses, dogs and humans. I've had success with the horse products (J-Flex) on my horse of course not me. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Here's the link to that site:

Springtime Inc.

When you open the site - sit tight for a minute and it will take you into their product information.

Call for a free catalogue and read the testimonials (some on site too). They are amazing - it's so great to read about peoples dogs getting up and running around again.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 03, 2001 11:28 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #17 of 39

Here you go!

It was under Skiing Technique & Instruction.
post #18 of 39
Thread Starter 
thanks everyone.
good information.
post #19 of 39
Does it work or doesn't ?


Take some notes on how you feel physically especialy as to those parts of your body that you are concerned about, and you think Gluocosimine might help.For example, back knees,over flexibility etc.

Put these detailed notes away for six months, or at least until after ski season is completed.

Then when ski season is finally over reevalute yourself again making notes.

Then pull out the old notes and compare. Then you will have a pretty good idea if the stuff works.
post #20 of 39
A ski club I'm in had a ski fitness session and had an orthopedic surgeon speak who does knees and shoulders primarily. He said that studies on glucosomine/chondrotin with people showed x-rays with better joint separation on those on glucosomine showing reduced wear and preservation of cartilage than those in the control group. The Ortho said he takes it. As a result, I've started taking it, especially after consulting with another medical professional and finding out there seems to be little or no side effects when taken as directed (other than the thinner wallet). It also helosp to have the chondrotin (We're taking Cosamin DS).
post #21 of 39
Fascinating! Glucose is suger! Food is broken down into 3 sugars- glucose, fructose, and lipase or is it tripase? Glucose is the main one the body uses. Mabye this stuff has merit! My doctor asked me to take Aleve or a generic likeness. He says it's the best over-the-counter stuff to keep swelling down. This keeps the circulation going, and in later years this holds arthritis at bay and/or the complications thereof.

As for shark cartiledge. It's been really popular but mostly an urban legend. I've heard all the stories about how it prevents cancer and all that. But if it makes you THINK you feel better then by all means keep using it. There is much to be said for the power of the mind. But this glucosamine is interesting. But I always question when I hear of another wonder-drug or wonder-pill! Why then doesn't every arthritic person taking it?

At the state fair one time I saw a demonstration with a V8 engine at 1500 RPM. The man pulled off the center wire from the distributor cap, plugged in a small device and plugged the wire back in before the engine died. The RPM went up to 2500 RPM. He claimed more power and better gas mileage. It was convincing! My dad leaned down and whispered, "If this is so good, why then isn't everyone in the nation using this?" You don't see it on the market today!!! so, you always have to ask, "Why?" "How?" before you buy into something, not just because someone said, "Studies have shown..."
But then if it does work... great!
Boy! I'll bet I sure stepped on some toes THIS time!
post #22 of 39
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jyarddog:
Fascinating! Glucose is suger!......<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Jyarddog,

This thread's about the amino acid glucosamine. I don't know where one might find a thread on simple carbohydrates.
"The site that's larger than life and twice as natural": SkiStreak.com
post #23 of 39
yes... it is an amino acid, still sugar based. Ain't nothing wrong with that. just saying I'm skeptical, but if it works... go for it! But ya gotta watch it! Ya never know! Take the small pox vaccination derived from cow pox (in fact the word vaccination came from vacca - cow I believe), people first thought it would make you grow horns or grow cows out the side of your body! On the other hand (I have five fingers) consider Laetril! Now THAT was the pits!
post #24 of 39
My 2¢.

If you read the thread from a June of 2000, I noticed negative changes (soreness, pain) during the intervals that I didn't take it. However I haven't taken it since the end of the last ski season. And, for some reason, I have not experienced a reoccurence of pain during biking, swimming etc.

I still think it is a great product. I would go back to using it during ski season if I start to feel soreness again

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 07, 2001 08:21 AM: Message edited 1 time, by worldfishnski ]</font>
post #25 of 39
Still a bit skeptical, but ok, I'll try it. Now... if I can just find something to do my day job for me while I go skiing!
post #26 of 39
It sounds as if some in here have been completely unaware that the glucosamine question was settled years ago. Just as with niacin (for cardiovascular), vitamin E (for cv), saw palmetto (for prostate), and other naturally occurring substances, they work so well that the FDA has approved them just like they do proprietary drugs. Problem is, since these substances cannot be patented, and they are not drugs, the FDA cannot approve them as such, so the drug companies rush to find unique ways to deliver them (ie: sustained release). Or, they put them into some sort of combination that gets the FDA involved and makes the products worth promoting for a profit. When they accomplish this with glucosamine, you'll see the marketed natural product in your doctor's office with serious promotional dollars behind it (and the corresponding increased price as a result of their investment).
When one says they are skeptical, maybe they mean for their own use. For example, being skeptical that an aspirin will take care of a particular headache, or that the 5-day antibiotic your doctor gave you won’t require another course. It’s not a question of overall efficacy, but whether you’ll be one of the few for whom it doesn’t work.
To the question, ‘If something is so good, why isn’t everyone using it?’ Is that a serious question? EVERYONE in the whole world knows smoking causes cancer. Using this logic, it must not be true because otherwise, everyone would quit.
It is an established fact that condoms virtually stop most STD’s. Wait, that must not be true or else everyone would be using them.
It is an irrefutable law of nature that your risk of dying of a heart attack is virtually eliminated if your total blood cholesterol is less than 150. Since half of the US population currently measures over 200, it can’t be true, right? Otherwise EVERYONE would get their cholesterol below 150!
Same goes for weight loss, exercise, etc. There are countless things that are good for us that are heeded by only a minority.
Untold thousands died of scurvy in the 17th century while waiting decades for the British government to pronounce that vitamin C could prevent it.
Whether or not the majority goes along with something is certainly NOT always a measure of veracity nor importance.
It is one’s right to belong to the frequently ignorant majority—-the trick is to just avoid the facts.
P.S. Jyarddog, I'm glad to hear you'll at least try it.
"And now, back to skiing":
post #27 of 39
well said
post #28 of 39
Endless- Your argument doesn't hold true always. Smoking causes cancer so everyone would quit. It's addictive, they try and often fail. I am not being ignorant, just skeptical. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good. The FDA may approve of something not because it does what it says, but because it is found not to do any harm. I thought I'd step on toes about this. I was expressing my opinion and left reservation to choose later if or when I decide too. Glucosamine is probably just fine according to reports here and others I've e-mailed and e-mailed back, evidently it works for them. It might not for me, but then again it might. According to the scientific method testamonials are the worst kind of evidence.

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical when one might hear "studies have shown" but the studies are never mentioned; or when one finds that the studies were highly questionable done by people who have been called into court for fraud in the past;or double blind studies were not done; or others repeat the studies and could not come up with the same results as the original study; or when one finds out that the active ingredient truly does work, but it is so diluted it doesn't do any good at all; or when one sees some doctor's picture on the bottle.

This is not being ignorant. This is just trying to make an informed choice.
post #29 of 39
Endless - glad to hear the stuff works for you. I trust that you will pardon me if I remain skeptical about its effectiveness until I see some hard facts.

IMHO Drug manufacturers and dietary supplement folks have a big money at stake and nobody has a monopoly on misleading information. Some of my favorites:

The urgent need for oral prescription medication to fight the critical toenail fungus epidemic spreading through the nation. Have you seen this list of side-effects and disclaimers. Well my toenails are clean but my kidneys failed last August.

Bodybuilding.com is advertising food supplements for breast and lip enhancement locally. Go Figure.

Hey, I’m willing to try gluco/chrondo myself and I am pretty confident that it worked for my dog – it is just that his lips look fuller now……

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 07, 2001 11:46 AM: Message edited 1 time, by dirtsqueezer ]</font>
post #30 of 39
I guess it's obvious from the number of replies I've posted in this thread that I'm a believer.

I too have gone through periods of going off of it because I thought everything was fine and then having my knees act up again after a hiking trip etc.

My mother recently fell and did some serious damage to her knee. Her doctor recommended taking Glucosamine to aid in recovery while she was in PT.

I agree with the overmedicating of America. It's shameful. I saw an ad just last week for a coupon for Prozac! Can you imagine? Hey I've got this coupon........

Ugh - and the side effects some of those drugs have, no thank you! Loss of bowel control? What could possibly be worse?

Anyway - I have no side effects with Glucosamine. It (Glucosamine) allows me to remain active and pain free without having to take pain killers all the time. A plus in my book.

As I mentioned before it helps my horse too. He moves much better with less stiffness.

So there you have it - a yes vote based on personal experience. Results may vary with individual..........

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