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Dynastar Speed Course Pro or Stockli Laser SX?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Epic community,

 

New to the sight as a member but have read forums for some time and gotten some great info here. Thanks! Will try to contribute going forward and not just "take" from the sight.

 

Looking for a new front side carver to replace tired Dynastar contact 4x4 in 178cm. Have enjoyed the 4x4s feel. I would characterize them as damp/smooth and very stable with great edge grip, all of which greatly appeals to my style. Subsequent to purchasing the 4x4s have added Bonafides in 187 and Stockli SR 107 in 183. The SR 107s stay out west, the carvers stay in the east and the bones go back and forth. Now that I have the bones and the SR107 thinking the carvers don't need to be as "versatile" and have been leaning towards a cheater race ski. Based on reviews on this sight as well as feedback from friends, the finalists are the Dynastar speed course pro or the Laser SX. 

 

Briefly about me: 6'3", 220 lbs, former racer (high school only) fairly proficient carver. Ski 15-20 days a year out west and 25-30 in the east. Occasionally run gates training with my sons or friendly competitions. Looking for a fun ski to make big GS turns to rip groomers with great edge hold but ideally can also make shorter radius turns on steeps and chasing the fall line. 

 

Has anyone out there skied these two skis? I won't have an opportunity to demo the Laser SX, but should be able to get on the speed course pro. I assume either will hold an edge mightily, just mostly curious about there respective ability to vary turn shapes. I'm guessing the SX will be slightly more versatile but the speed course pro more of the "race stock" feel and perhaps more stable??

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

post #2 of 19

Hi - 

 

I have skied the Stockli, but have been through a couple of Course Pro and always find them a bit on the boring side. Very good at what it does, medium GS turns that you can power down in radius, but no real pop and energy return that gives you that "whoop" feeling.

 

Very stable. Very predictable. Solid on edge, but you can feel the power lacking from a more racier type ski. Maybe (sorry to say) a bit dull? 

 

I went through that and an Atomic Redster GS to my current Head i.Speed that I really enjoy. Lots of power and snap, but still very accessible.

 

I've hear nothing but raves about Stockli from friends and everything I have heard says power power power to the edge. I'd expect a much racier and aggressive ride from the Stockli.

post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by WhiteNitro1 View Post
 

Subsequent to purchasing the 4x4s have added Bonafides in 187 and Stockli SR 107 in 183. The SR 107s stay out west, the carvers stay in the east and the bones go back and forth. 

 

Nice system.

post #4 of 19

Cant comment on the Dynastar, but love my Laser SX as a front side carver.

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

Great feeback. I think I know exactly what you mean. My current 4x4s that I characterized as smooth/damp could easily be interpreted as "boring", but nonetheless "predictable."

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

CSR_jr,

 

Are you now on the Rebel i.speed or the supershape i.speed?

post #7 of 19

I'm guessing that WhiteNitro is a Sugarloafer. I've skied there for 50+ years, and we now split our winter time between Sugarloaf and CO. I'm a bit smaller, at 5'11", 210. I have a pretty extensive background in the sport, and was a fairly high level racer back in the day.  Our two adult kids are both coaches in CO. 

 

I ski 80% of the time on a GS cheater, while at Sugarloaf, and for that matter in the Northeast. On the rare days when things are either: uncrowded mid-week, fresh snow that's 6"+ deep, for some reason I want to venture into the woods, or it's real soft spring snow and sun…..I have other skis. 

 

I also ski a 187cm Bonafide, and have a pair at Sugarloaf, and a pair in CO. Many more bigger skis out there. I have a pair of 187cm Brahma's that I tend to ski as a soft snow, spring ski at Sugarloaf.

 

I don't think that you will go wrong with either cheater choice. I have a pair of 178cm Course Pro's, and I really like them. They are the new design, 74mm underfoot, and I find them to be really versatile and fun. Hold a razor like edge on anything, and I find that they're happy making any number of turn shapes. I ski them all over the mountain, which for me is every steep groomer on the hill. Maybe it's me, but I find them pretty playful, and lively. 

 

I also ski a 180cm Head cheater, the iSpeed from 2012-2013. That ski is narrower, maybe 66mm, it has a slightly longer radius {18M?}. It skis just like a short radius GS ski. It's the same ski, I think as the current one. The KERS actually works in that ski, and it's really quick through transition. It's a blast to ski, and probably not quite as versatile, IMO, as the Dynastar at a slower speeds, nor in being worked into a smaller turn shape. If the hill is buffed, and I plan on skiing fast, I almost always pull that ski. Kind of depends on who we might be planning on skiing with, which will dictate where, etc. 

 

I have owned a number of Stockli's over the years. Phenomenal skis, tremendous quality, as you know. I have two pairs of older Stormrider XL's, which both have 300+ days of skiing on them, and are still in great shape. Quality and amount of the edge and base is great. I have skied the SC, as my brother has a pair, and we have identical BSL's. It's a really fun ski, but the radius is too small for me to ski all day. It's around 11M. I'm pretty sure that it has the same layup as the SX, but a different sidecut. SX must have a radius of 16M or so? I think that's a real sweet spot for what you're looking for. Everything tells me it should be a great ski, but I, myself might want to ski it before buying it at that price. 

 

My son recently gave me a pair of real-deal Stockli FIS SX's, in a 190cm. This pair are a couple of years old, and are from a WC athlete's stable. Set up with a Tyrolia plate and bindings. The have a radius of around 25-27M {not entirely sure}, and they are loaded with metal. They are the most stable thing that I have ever skied on, and they are incredibly predictable. They're purpose built, as a SX race ski. I just love the ski, but to be honest, I'm only comfortable skiing it on the right surface, with the right amount of space, and with no crowds. 

 

My hunch is that the SX is probably a great ski. If you're up at Sugarloaf, you should be able to get on a demo Super Cross, as well as a Head. I would try both. You might be able to get on the SX as well. PM me if you need some direction and ideas on the demo's. 

 

Highly endorse the cheater for Sugarloaf. I've skied the Blizzard, Dynastar, Fischer, Head, and Nordica. I seriously could be happy on any of them. I would encourage you to try the Head, if you think you'd like what really is a short radius race ski. Or darn close to it. 

 

Good luck. 

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
 

 I'm only comfortable skiing it on the right surface, with the right amount of space, and with no crowds. 

 

 

You mean, like Tote Rd just before the Quad closes?

D1

post #9 of 19
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You mean, like Tote Rd just before the Quad closes?

D1

Probably NOT. I was thinking Gauge, before CVA sets and ropes it off. A buffed Gondi, or Widowmaker, etc. Midweek AM. HaHa. 


Edited by Muleski - 1/13/15 at 11:56am
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 

Muleski,

 

You are correct, I am a loafer of 30+ years. My western venue is in Big Sky, MT (the loaf of the west).

 

Great feed back on the Speed Course. I am sure you're right, that I can't go too wrong with either, just looking for help on the last 10% of the decision as I can't seem to nail down a Stockli demo. The speed Course is readily available from Lionel at Happy Tunes but the only Stockli dealer is a very small shop in Kingfield and unable to afford demo inventory of the brand (understandable for a start-up). I'll jump on the Dynastar's in the next week or two but really looking for help with the characteristics of the SX for comparison. I have no doubt they both are stable and have excellent edge grip mostly interested in the variability of the turn shape, so your feedback on the Speed Course puts that to bed at least.

 

I'll see what I can do with the idea on the Head's, but not really looking for a shorter radius ski for all day.....getting too tired for that these days! As I said, though, it would be great if I could find a cheater GS that could make shorter turns 20% of the time without laboring too much.

 

Cheers and maybe we'll cross paths in ME.

post #11 of 19
Sometimes picking a shop is a good way to pick a piece of gear, if you get my hint.

As for trail-based screen names, I'm now thinking of changing mine to "Golden Smelt," having seen your local example. smile.gif
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
 

Probably NOT. I was thinking Gauge, before CVA sets and rips it off. A buffed Gondi, or Widowmaker, etc. Midweek AM. HaHa. 

You are a better man than I.

D1

post #13 of 19

Very dubious, D1!

 

White Nitro, the Head GS cheater has a longer radius than the Dynastar, if I'm not mistaken. 18M versus 16M. Real similar anyways. Birch Royall might have a pair of Heads available to try. I would also think he might have a pair of SX mounted up, understanding that he is too small to have a true demo fleet. If he's going to sell $1200 skis, he probably needs to have Stockli help him figure out how to get people on them, IMO. That was an issue for the ski shop at Sugarloaf, when they took over the local franchise, as I recall. The skis are great skis for that mountain, and for a lot of those skiing there….particularly if you keep them for a number of seasons. {I just replaced a pair of boot with 800+ days on them…..I keep what works!}.

 

For what it's worth, Lionel {who in my opinion is the best skier on the hill at Sugarloaf…..has the best touch on the snow of any skier that I've ever seen} skis the 178cm Course Pro as his personal every day Sugarloaf ski. And he's skiing with all sorts of people, on all sorts of "stuff", etc. I've been a fan and a close friend of his long before there was a Happy Tunes. And through the years when he was the Stockli dealer. I believe that he also thinks the Blizz cheater's a pretty great ski.

 

Wish I had some direct input on the SX at Sugarloaf. I just don't. 

 

Good luck. I really think it's "no bad choices, and a ton of good options." And, yeah, I wouldn't bring them to Big Sky!

post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 

Qcanoe,

 

Fair point....that's certainly an important piece of the equation. Apologies for the cheezy/transparent username....filled out my profile a little too quickly!

 

Muleski,

 

Very helpful, thanks. Since we're likekly to the point of splitting hairs, perhaps I ought to just save some $$ while I'm at it. Like you, I keep my equipment for a long time (the 4x4's I'm replacing have 5 seasons on them), so don't mind paying up if I feel I'm getting a more suitable product for the task.

 

Thanks again!

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by WhiteNitro1 View Post

CSR_jr,



Are you now on the Rebel i.speed or the supershape i.speed?

@White Nitro

I'm on the ISpeed now and LOVE it. I've dialed back from anything too challenging after some big race preparatory crashes.
The ISpeed is remarkably accessible, very stable and I was shocked how easily it would let me bend it for short radius (with some pivot steer action). I went 175. 17M to keep it very reasonable and keep the speed manageable.
Where it does differ is as previous post mentioned, it's 66mm under foot and feels like it. Not a crud ski. But point it at the groomed and go.
The Dynastar is wider in waist and shovel, so handles the chop well. I'd demo the Head (I have the recent one with the KERS chip that's got an easier flex than previous models) Vs the Dynastar. You could even grab a last year version (same ski) - I bought mine new for $660 CAD with bindings.
post #16 of 19
Wanted to add I am betting the Stockli would be a home run, but just too pricey to be bought un tested. $1200 Vs $600 adds to the calculus also...
post #17 of 19
I skied the Course Pro and the SX at SIA last year. My takeaway from them was that the the SX was a finesse ski with goodly amount of power, while the Course Pro was a powerful ski, period.

What's worth noting is that I'm 5'10", 175#; for you, assuming you like to lay your 4x4's over and fire out of one turn toward the next, the Pro would be what I recommend.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 

FairToMiddlin,

 

since you've been on both skis, can you compare their respective ability to vary turn shapes? I assume by "finessse" ski you mean the SX has a little more versatility but without any sacrifice in power/stability, fair?

post #19 of 19

To Muleskis point about the FIS SX, i tested a pair of them in 190 at the end of last season  (use the search and you should be able to find the review I did of it) and thought it was an excellent ski.  What most surprise me was that it was very useable which is not what i had expected when i saw all the metal in it.  Definitely a different feel to the Dynastars when I compare it to the 185/27 Dynastar FIS GS skis I had.  I am a bit smaller and lighter than you guys but I would have had no qualms about using the FIS SX .......if it wasn't way beyond the ScotsSkier price point...  :) 

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