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post #1 of 21
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Hi guys. I have a question for you. I bought a pair on brand new Head iSupershape Speed in much this year and took them out to the slopes this Christmas. The last day of the year a guy skied over the back of my ski's, barely noticeable, but when I took my skis of and they looked like this. Is this normal? I would have expected a ski from a brand like Head to be able to handle a minor impact. I mean: it is skiing....

 

post #2 of 21
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Hi guys. I have a question for you. I bought a pair on brand new Head iSupershape Speed in much this year and took them out to the slopes this Christmas. The last day of the year a guy skied over the back of my ski's, barely noticeable, but when I took my skis of and they looked like this. Is this normal? I would have expected a ski from a brand like Head to be able to handle a minor impact. I mean: it is skiing....

 

Sorry, but the age of the ski is irrelevant, it is akin to saying "I bought a brand new car and while driving the first week I was side swiped by a moped, I barely felt the impact but my quarter panel is dented. I expected more from Volvo, it's just driving." If you said that, folks would think you were a lunatic, but because they are skis, folks will tell you you deserve a full replacement from the manufacturer. What happened is a shame, it is also pretty normal for a ski going across a topsheet cause damage like that. It is a large chip for a small impact, but the edge marks in the center of the damaged area also look pretty significant. It can be fixed with some epoxy mixed with black pigment, there will be no loss of performance in the ski and if done right will not be noticeable to a casual glance. 

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Originally Posted by DJ61 View Post
 


Hi guys. I have a question for you. I bought a pair on brand new Head iSupershape Speed in much this year and took them out to the slopes this Christmas. The last day of the year a guy skied over the back of my ski's, barely noticeable, but when I took my skis of and they looked like this. Is this normal? I would have expected a ski from a brand like Head to be able to handle a minor impact. I mean: it is skiing....

 

Sorry, but the age of the ski is irrelevant, it is akin to saying "I bought a brand new car and while driving the first week I was side swiped by a moped, I barely felt the impact but my quarter panel is dented. I expected more from Volvo, it's just driving." If you said that, folks would think you were a lunatic, but because they are skis, folks will tell you you deserve a full replacement from the manufacturer. What happened is a shame, it is also pretty normal for a ski going across a topsheet cause damage like that. It is a large chip for a small impact, but the edge marks in the center of the damaged area also look pretty significant. It can be fixed with some epoxy mixed with black pigment, there will be no loss of performance in the ski and if done right will not be noticeable to a casual glance. 

Concentrate on the important part, bold and underlined.  Make sure you get that wood sealed up pronto.

post #4 of 21
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The age is relevant insofar that the skis were not damaged, brused or whatever before I put them on. The chip is the result of a very minor hardly noticed impact.
I am glad to read that this is normal and could have happend to any ski of any brand. I will replace them 'cause I do not want to be remembered about this incident every time I hit the slopes.
post #5 of 21

Sometimes battle scars are good reminders of what not to do, or what to look out for.  I have a few of them on several of my skis.  With a positive attitude bad reminders are rare.  Just say'n. 

 

I cannot say how that chip affected your Head piezo electric chip thingy; I would consider replacing them too.

post #6 of 21
I don't think it unreasonable to ask the shop where you purchased them to ask the Head rep. I've never seen that kind of cosmetic damage to a supershape top sheet. It is possible there was a void in the layup. Yes, it's primarily cosmetic, but it is unusual in my experience.
post #7 of 21

Easy fix, if you're inclined.  Search out black epoxy, or add some black liquid shoe polish to the clearish type.  Build a dam with duct tape on the side wall and around the area.  Level the ski so the damaged area is flat.  Layer the epoxy so that it is above the top sheet.  Use a Stanley Surform ( http://www.sears.com/stanley-6-in-x-1-5-8-in-surform/p-00972698000P?prdNo=19&blockNo=19&blockType=G19 ) to finish the repair so it is level with the top sheet.  Good to go!

 

I regard to why it happened, more than likely the glue gun was near the end of the pot and simply didn't apply enough adhesive allowing the top sheet to come off.  When Risignol was huge int eh mid 70's, we would have several skis every year delaminate due to a lack of glue.  Simply no evidence of glue in the area of delamination.  Probably due to the automation and running a ton of skis through the line.

Bob

post #8 of 21
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I cannot say how that chip affected your Head piezo electric chip thingy

But your mishap seems to help answer a bit of the brouhaha on the 2015-2016 gear trends thread.

 

Chip is revealed to have three dimensions, metal circuits connected to flat metal dohinkies, looks like it's going on under the top sheet for some distance beyond the little visible top we normally see. Could it be invested in enough surface area to (gasp) actually impact performance? :confused Don't want to go out on limb, but seems like a lot of extra trouble for marketing b.s. that could have been achieved with just the little top chip connected to nothing...

 

So here's the test, then, that you have to do for the collective here and our interminable arguments about i tech and chips and such: 1) Determine if the chip circuits appear to be damaged. If yes, that's a good thing for us, not so good for you. But ski it as is, one run. See if the tail feels a bit different. Report back to us. Then send it back to Head and ask for a new pair, write a nice letter of woe. Emphasize lack of glue, structural defect, damage to chip that does so much. Tell them Epic is watching. They may shock you and send you a new one. Or two. Or not. 

 

If there's no chip damage, then fix as instructed above...

 

:yahoo: 

post #9 of 21

It is hard to know exactly the magnitude of the impact even though attached to the ski at the time.    I had a real good core shot of my new skis and never would have guessed.    

post #10 of 21

Duct tape. Patch them, ski them.  Love them for what they do, not what they look like.

post #11 of 21
Black printer toner added to the epoxy will help with the colour
post #12 of 21

Your problem is not with Head but the guy who skied over the back of your skis. 

post #13 of 21

Skis are sharp.  Topsheets aren't bulletproof.  I'd dab two part epoxy over the affected area then color it with black and yellow sharpies after it dried. 

post #14 of 21
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Your problem is not with Head but the guy who skied over the back of your skis. 

^^^^

Truth! But, good luck to anyone trying to get $$$ from the culprit. It's a damn shame when it happens to brand new equipment, I feel the OP's pain.

 

I put a fair amount of epoxy on my Head Supershape topsheets after being run down by an out of control skier. The area was about 50% smaller than that shown by the OP, but, the skis still performed fine. While I do think it's part of the risk we all accept on the mountain, some companies, Kastle in particular, do seem to make brittle topsheets. It's common to see this type repair in the  "Used Ski Equipment for Sale" forum in Epic.

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by DJ61 View Post

The age is relevant insofar that the skis were not damaged, brused or whatever before I put them on. The chip is the result of a very minor hardly noticed impact.
I am glad to read that this is normal and could have happend to any ski of any brand. I will replace them 'cause I do not want to be remembered about this incident every time I hit the slopes.

I have a pair of 4frnt Turbos that I've used and abused over the last 4 or 5 seasons. I rarely tune them. I never put storage wax on them. Sometimes they spend days on end in the box of my truck.
Two years back, I hit a rock, hard. Harder than I'd ever hit a rock before. So hard that the impact hurt my hip. I figured they were toast. Blown edge, crushed sidewall, broken core. When I stopped to Take a look I found a 1" coreshot underfoot. No edge damage, no nothing.

Sometimes what you feel from an impact has no bearing on the damage.
post #16 of 21

It looks an unusual damage for someone skiing over the back of them.  If it had been a clean slice/score would have been more what I would have expected rather than a chunk out of it.  Regardless.  Epoxy will repair and protect

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 

It looks an unusual damage for someone skiing over the back of them.  If it had been a clean slice/score would have been more what I would have expected rather than a chunk out of it.  Regardless.  Epoxy will repair and protect


Well that was my idea exactly, but I learned from this forum that this is not exceptional.

post #18 of 21

I also question whether the top sheet was properly glued to the core. Certainly worth having the shop where you bought them contacting Head. Worse that can happen is they say no. I wish I had the money to buy new skis every time my good skis get dinged. I'd be on my fourth new pair this season--there are a lot of rocks.

post #19 of 21
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I also question whether the top sheet was properly glued to the core. Certainly worth having the shop where you bought them contacting Head. Worse that can happen is they say no. I wish I had the money to buy new skis every time my good skis get dinged. I'd be on my fourth new pair this season--there are a lot of rocks.


have you only skied 2 days???   

:D

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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

I also question whether the top sheet was properly glued to the core. Certainly worth having the shop where you bought them contacting Head. Worse that can happen is they say no. I wish I had the money to buy new skis every time my good skis get dinged. I'd be on my fourth new pair this season--there are a lot of rocks.


have you only skied 2 days???   

:D

Hah--24, but not all on newish skis, and by dinged I mean core shots or significant dings next to the edge. BTW--I've had some pretty good shots next to the edges of my Bones and the edges have held up well, FWIW. 

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by DJ61 View Post

The age is relevant insofar that the skis were not damaged, brused or whatever before I put them on. The chip is the result of a very minor hardly noticed impact.
I am glad to read that this is normal and could have happend to any ski of any brand. I will replace them 'cause I do not want to be remembered about this incident every time I hit the slopes.

Send them to me, I will dispose of them properly. wink.gif
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