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Offered a replacement choice of: Dynastar OUTLAND 80 or SULTAN 80 or CONTACT ST 09???

post #1 of 18
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I have skied about 10 times in my life and mostly stay on blue/blueblacks and can get down blacks slowly (5'7"/145lbs/39yo). 

This is the first year we are going to start buying season passes with our kids a teaching them to ski.  So I will be skiing much more in the future and would like a ski that is maybe a little above my level and will grow with me.  I ordered a used Dynastar Booster 10, but got the reply below today and am not sure what to pick.  I'm reading as much as I can online, but I would like to get some feedback as ski gear is newer to me.

 

 

Thank you for your recent purchase.  During the final inspection process, our ski tech found damage to the Dynastar Booster 10 ski, under the binding, which cannot be repaired and we are unable to ship them to you.  We do not have another pair in stock.  We do have a couple of substitutes recommended by our winter sports staff.  I have listed them below.  Please let us know if you would like us to ship one of these skis as a replacement at no additional cost.   You can also visit our website to see if there is another ski that may meet your needs.  We can also cancel the order and issue a full refund if you prefer.

 

Dynastar Outland 80, with Look NX11 binding.  Photo 86676

Dynastar Contact ST 09 with Look PX 12 bindings. Photo 14505

Dynastar Legend Sultan 80 with Look NX 10 bindings. Photo 85590

 

Thank you, and we apologize for the inconvenience.

post #2 of 18
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Legend Sultan is 126/80/108 and around 2006/2007; Outland 126/80/110 and around 2012/2013; Contact ST 09 is 112/69/100.  I'm guessing the Outland was a replacement for the Sultan and are basically the same ski while the Contact ST 09 being narrower is more for on trails?  Reviews of all of them seem pretty good.  Anything I should consider or know about these models and thouhgts from those who ski or skied them?

post #3 of 18

The Outland 80 came in three varieties: Outland, Outland XT and Outland Pro.  Each model was a little 'more ski' as you move up that scale. The Outlands have a goodly amount of early rise in the tip and a touch of early rise in the tail for good measure.  They have a combination of sidewall underfoot and a cap construction at tip and tail.  Dynastar calls them a 50:50 ski, so they're the spiritual successor to the Sultans, although due to the early rise the construction is not directly comparable to the older ski.  They're very good skis, and they'd be my choice of the above given your experience.  Check out the reviews.  They ski a little short, so go for the longer ski if you're in between sizes.

 

See if you can't talk them up to a PX12 binding on the Outlands for your trouble  :) 

post #4 of 18

Of the three i think the outland would be the best of the 3.

 

Are these used skis?

Post the actual pics and sizes.

How much did you pay?  The option to cancel might be best choice-depending on the price

post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 

Of the three i think the outland would be the best of the 3.

 

Are these used skis?

Post the actual pics and sizes.

How much did you pay?  The option to cancel might be best choice-depending on the price

I paid $112.50 for the Booster 10.  The email said they would replace it at no additional cost to me with any of those 3 which are priced much higher than the booster 10.  I think, Sultan - $195; Outland $225; Contact ST 09 - $340.00.

The Outland 80 and Legend Sultan 80 are in "good", used condition.  The Contact ST 09 is a New ski.

 

I just got off the phone and asked a couple questions. I was told the Sultan 80 was an older, but better quality/better made/more expensive ski than the Outland 80?  They also said the Sultan was in slightly better condition than the Outland; I will be getting pics Monday morning.  Of course, the Contact ST 09 is New....

They also said i could pick any used ski I wanted for $50-$60 more than what I paid (up to $172.50) for a free replacement.  So many choices???

post #6 of 18
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The Booster 10 I ordered was 152cm.

The Contact ST 09 = 152cm; Legend Sultan80 and Outland 80 = 158cm. 5'7"/145lbs/intermediate 38yo skier.

post #7 of 18
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Reading lots of comments about the Contact 9.  Is that the same as the Contact ST 9 (red/gray)???  I'm having trouble finding an answer online?


Edited by jason586 - 1/9/15 at 8:27pm
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by jason586 View Post
 

The Booster 10 I ordered was 152cm.

The Contact ST 09 = 152cm; Legend Sultan80 and Outland 80 = 158cm. 5'7"/145lbs/intermediate 38yo skier.

These are all a bit short, you say you want something to grow into, try looking about 10cm longer.

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

These are all a bit short, you say you want something to grow into, try looking about 10cm longer.


They have a Sultan 80 and Contact Limited - both in 165cm.  One more preferable?

post #10 of 18
I agree on the length. I'm very close to your size. I demoed the Sultan 80 and 85 @172cm and owned the Sultan 85 @165cm. The 80 is very easy to ski. You don't say WHERE you ski. I'd go for the Sultan unless you ski exclusively on firm groomers in the east and are very interested in carving and/or in having the better edge grip. The Sultan will be better in bumps and soft snow.
post #11 of 18

If you are mostly staying on trails, get the contact limited.

post #12 of 18
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This trip we are skiing a very small place in the Midwest (man made, likely icy) with a weekday family season pass, since we have family in the area that we haven't visited for a long time.  We will ski 5 days a week for 6 weeks - weather permitting. It will be the kids (ages 4-8) first time skiing and first time to see snow, so starting at a small place that is extremely no busy during the weekdays + visiting family seemed like a win/win.  All our future trips will likely be out West. Originally we were considering the family season Pass at Ski Cooper near Leadville as it is very price friendly but are now are considering that for next year's trip.  Maybe Winter Park for the 3rd year.......

post #13 of 18
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The Contact Limited is 158cm, not 165cm; I was wrong.  158cm is about 5 inches from the top of my head; being 5'7".

I read for 5 hours last night looking for every post and review on the Dynastar Skis that are available to me.  Overall, it seems like the Legend Sultan 80 got better comments than the Outland 80, and the Contact Limited was well liked and more expensive but not as easy to ski as the other two.  I think I am going to stick with one of the 158cm lengths, and the reasons are that it will probably be easier for me this year as I haven't skied in nearly 5 years plus my wife wanted a shorter length to start as well.  She is getting a Rossi Bandit B1W in a 146cm length (5'4"/100lbs), and she could likely move up and use what ever 158cm ski I get in the next year or two.  Then I would have a better feel for what I like and get something in the 165-175 range when I am more skilled after a few seasons.

So right now, my options in 158cm are either the Sultan 80, Contact Limited, Outland 80; leaning toward the Sultan 80 or Contact Limited; and I have until Monday morning to decide.

post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by jason586 View Post
 

The Contact Limited is 158cm, not 165cm; I was wrong.  158cm is about 5 inches from the top of my head; being 5'7".

I read for 5 hours last night looking for every post and review on the Dynastar Skis that are available to me.  Overall, it seems like the Legend Sultan 80 got better comments than the Outland 80, and the Contact Limited was well liked and more expensive but not as easy to ski as the other two.  I think I am going to stick with one of the 158cm lengths, and the reasons are that it will probably be easier for me this year as I haven't skied in nearly 5 years plus my wife wanted a shorter length to start as well.  She is getting a Rossi Bandit B1W in a 146cm length (5'4"/100lbs), and she could likely move up and use what ever 158cm ski I get in the next year or two.  Then I would have a better feel for what I like and get something in the 165-175 range when I am more skilled after a few seasons.

So right now, my options in 158cm are either the Sultan 80, Contact Limited, Outland 80; leaning toward the Sultan 80 or Contact Limited; and I have until Monday morning to decide.


Be careful reading reviews here.  Many strong skiers post here who will prefer skis an intermediate might struggle on.  You'll want to prioritize recommendations for (or by) people of your size and level.

 

I'm a little shorter (5' 6") and heavier (170 lbs.).  I started (at 47) on very short skis -- 148s, I think.  A couple years (and 15-20 days) later, I bought Dynastar Legend 4800s at 165 cm.  I was entirely comfortable on them, more comfortable than on the 148s -- 165 is more stable.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 


Be careful reading reviews here.  Many strong skiers post here who will prefer skis an intermediate might struggle on.  You'll want to prioritize recommendations for (or by) people of your size and level.

 

I'm a little shorter (5' 6") and heavier (170 lbs.).  I started (at 47) on very short skis -- 148s, I think.  A couple years (and 15-20 days) later, I bought Dynastar Legend 4800s at 165 cm.  I was entirely comfortable on them, more comfortable than on the 148s -- 165 is more stable.

 

I have definitely noticed that. I am pretty confident that I am going to stick to 158cm to start as I think I have some good options being offered in that size; plus it shouldn't overwhelm me and is close to the size the calcualtor online recommend based on height, weight, skill, terrain; plus it won't be too long to pass on to my wife in a couple seasons when we decide our skills have improved enough that longer will be more rewarding.

 

So now I am trying to compare the Contact Limited, Outland 80, and Legend Sultan 80 in the same 158cm length.  Are they all close enough that I should just get the one that is in the best condition or if I get offered a New (old stock) ski of one of the three - automatically go with that one?

post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by jason586 View Post
 

 

I have definitely noticed that. I am pretty confident that I am going to stick to 158cm to start as I think I have some good options being offered in that size; plus it shouldn't overwhelm me and is close to the size the calcualtor online recommend based on height, weight, skill, terrain; plus it won't be too long to pass on to my wife in a couple seasons when we decide our skills have improved enough that longer will be more rewarding.

 

So now I am trying to compare the Contact Limited, Outland 80, and Legend Sultan 80 in the same 158cm length.  Are they all close enough that I should just get the one that is in the best condition or if I get offered a New (old stock) ski of one of the three - automatically go with that one?


All good questions that I'd hesitate to answer, since I haven't skied any of them.  Others, who've posted above, will do better on that.  Whiteroom sells skis in Vermont; he knows what he's talking about.  Qcanoe is highly experienced and demos a lot.  Ghost has solid thinking, too.  (I don't know raytseng.)

 

However, the Contacts would help develop carving skills a bit more easily than the 80-waist skis.  The Outland and the Sultan will be better in varied snow.  At your level, the differences between the latter may be hard to discern, while the Contact, with its much narrower waist, would be clearly different -- easy to get on edge; easy to keep on edge.  It's not a fashionable ski, but it may be a useful training choice for you (though not first choice for Western expeditions).  Midwestern . . . mountains . . . are pretty icy.

post #17 of 18

For a short radius on-piste carving ski like the Contact Ltd.  158 cm would be better at your weight than the longer ski.

post #18 of 18
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OK, I pulled the trigger this morning.  I ended up getting a (2012 - brownish) Outland 80 as I could get that one in near new condition, and it included a service tune. 

 

Contact ST 09 - Ended up having a fixed binding that would barely fix my smaller boot size, and if my wife moves up to my ski in a few seasons - definitely would not fit her boot.  Plus, it was only available in a smaller length than the others.

Sultan 80 - I would have had to taken a slightly lesser condition pair of skis, plus I liked what Dawg replied to me in a PM about the Outland vs. the Sultan.

"The Outland is a better ski, IMO, more modern tip, very good carver.  I love it.  But it is a fairly strong ski.  For good skiers.  Sultan 80 will be more forgiving, it doesn't have metal, like the Outland, which does."

Outland 80 (2013) - I would have also had to get a slightly lesser condition pair of skis, plus my wife didn't care for the green color and would rather transition to the 2012 more neutral-color Outland 80.

Contact Limited - Being an older model and being a used ski, I had concerns of longevity/durability of this particular model based on a few comments and reviews I read over the weekend, and it was a little narrower under foot at 72mm so maybe not quite as versatile when we start skiing out West next year.

 

Well, I hope I made the right decision!

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