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Ski Sizing for Nordica Patron / El Capo

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone, hoping you guys can point me in the right direction.

Some info:
5'11
165
Lower Advanced, upper intermediate
Currently riding 85-waist Salomon 1080s, 174

Curious about what ski and what size to get. I want a softer snow / powder ski that can still hit groomers for those days where I spend about 70% off piste and 30% on. I don't want to sacrifice too much float to where skiing powder will be burdensome, but don't want an entirely one dimensional powder ski either. I have never skied on anything above 177, but I am looking at the 177 and 185 in the Patron and El Capo. I know the Patron is a bit more powdery and the Capo a bit more all-mountain, but I weigh a lot less than some of my friends who rock 190ish 115-125 waisted skis, so I am wondering if I might be able to get the same kind of float from the El Capo.
post #2 of 16

I am 6'1"ish 185 and own both the El Capo in 177 and Helldorado (the Patron with metal) in 185. As you can tell I really like Nordica's Freeride Lineup.

 

Despite the 2 1/2 sheets of metal, the El Capo is stiff underfoot but somewhat soft in the tip and tails. This is not for everyone, but I believe it gives the ski much more ease, versatility and playfulness without sacrificing too much of its charging capability. It performs really great all over the mountain. Despite a lot of early rise, it performs well on groomers, too as long as you like a longer turn radius. It is a damp ski, and it has excellent float for its size in my opinion. The tapered tail gives it a snake-like ability to turn off piste. It is a really phenomenal ski, but at your weight I wouldn't go over 177. At my weight I approach the limits of the ski's stiffness underfoot, maybe look into the Vagabond as well. BTW both are discontinued this year most likely to be replaced by NRGy 107.

 

The Patron is light and nimble enough you could go 185 if you wanted. It is a better powder ski and still quite versatile, but not as much as the El cap / Vagabond. It has a shorter turn radius which despite its wider waist makes it a bit funner for me on the groomers IMO. YMMV of course. Hope that helps some.

post #3 of 16

^^^I agree, from the options you mentioned Patron 185 is your ski!

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

So would you guys recommend the 185 Patron over the 177 Patron if I decide to go that route?

 

Thanks for the help.

post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by voidsix View Post
 

So would you guys recommend the 185 Patron over the 177 Patron if I decide to go that route?

 

Thanks for the help.

for a powder ski definitely! I'm 5'5" / 150 and 177 would be the size I'd want for me as a powder/wide all mountain ski for the patron! you need to go 185!

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

Going to go with the Patron in the 185.  Want to get a 2-ski quiver going with one that is more all-mountain front and one that is more all-mountain back, so I will use the Patrons on the deeper days and the Salomons when I just want to cut the courd.  

 

Thanks for the help w/ both.  The El Capo were on a crazy deal on Evo ($450 with bindings), so it was tempting, but I think I'll be happier with the Patron.

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by voidsix View Post
 

 I just want to cut the courd.  

 

That's cord as in corduroy, which comes, incidentally, from an English coarse ribbed cloth, cord duroy, and not, as I always thought, from corde du roi (cloth of the king) -- the king's cloth was a ribbed velour, velours côtelé. 

 

Good luck with the Patron. It sounds like a great ski. The late lamented Josh championed it on this coast as a fresh-snow tree ski.  I'd sure like to demo it at Winter Park this year, should there be anything fresh and deepish.

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

 

That's cord as in corduroy, which comes, incidentally, from an English coarse ribbed cloth, cord duroy, and not, as I always thought, from corde du roi (cloth of the king) -- the king's cloth was a ribbed velour, velours côtelé. 

 

Good luck with the Patron. It sounds like a great ski. The late lamented Josh championed it on this coast as a fresh-snow tree ski.  I'd sure like to demo it at Winter Park this year, should there be anything fresh and deepish.

 

Simple typo, friend.

 

I'll let you know how they ski trees at Vail next time we get a big snow up here.  

post #9 of 16

Good choice on the 185.  The Patron does NOT ski long.  I'm 195 and ski the Patron 193, which honestly feels a little shorter when skiing than my 185 Hell and Backs.

post #10 of 16

Great choice, just be aware that the Patron is not a super hard charger, if that's your game then the El Capo would be a bit better fit, or the Helldo out of these Nordica selections.

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Lemon Zest View Post
 

Great choice, just be aware that the Patron is not a super hard charger, if that's your game then the El Capo would be a bit better fit, or the Helldo out of these Nordica selections.

that's a good suggestion if you are in the el capo/patron fence the Helldorado could be a great fit!

 

Have you demoed them before? Any of these?

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by voidsix View Post
 

 

Simple typo, friend.

 

I'll let you know how they ski trees at Vail next time we get a big snow up here.  


I thought, so, really, but it gave me the chance to do some research -- didn't mean to be snide.

 

Let me know how Vail goes.  We don't get much snow like that, not in my neck of the woods, but the Patrons are intriguing.

post #13 of 16
I'll second MFA and lemon zest suggestions, both right on the mark. Given the description of your skiing ability and what your looking for the patron is more likely your ski. If demos are available then then try the el capo and helldorado and charge away! Good luck with your choice all three mentioned are great skis.
post #14 of 16
I ski in the north east. I'm looking for a 2nd pair for fresh snow and tree skiing and can also have fun on the groomers.

My go to pair the East hard pack is a pair of new Volkl Racetiger SL 165cm.

I'm 5'8, 175lbs.

I'm leaning toward the 177cm Patron.
Is that the right length?
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Heavy G View Post

I ski in the north east. I'm looking for a 2nd pair for fresh snow and tree skiing and can also have fun on the groomers.

My go to pair the East hard pack is a pair of new Volkl Racetiger SL 165cm.

I'm 5'8, 175lbs.

I'm leaning toward the 177cm Patron.
Is that the right length?


Hi Heavy G — welcome to Epic!

 

If I read the thread correctly, you might be better off with the 185.  It might be hard to find a demo of that ski around here, but it'd be worth asking local shops. The Patron skis pretty short.

post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post


Hi Heavy G — welcome to Epic!

If I read the thread correctly, you might be better off with the 185.  It might be hard to find a demo of that ski around here, but it'd be worth asking local shops. The Patron skis pretty short.

I know somebody who just ordered a pair of 85's

G - seeing you generally ski upper 160's or low 170's maybe the 177 is just what the doc ordered..


P.S - he does rock those race tigers !


Kyle
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