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post #31 of 55

Sort of standard issue delam with the Markers.

post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

I guess there should be a match site for Bonafide owners to locate single skis--kind of like an internet dating site.


This !

Kyle
post #33 of 55
Hey Speerhead,
Did I see you shredding pow at Whistler this year with those Bonnies you speak of? I heard you made mcconkey run look like a green run. You should donate those skis to a museum.
post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by gowestyoungman View Post

Hey Speerhead,
Did I see you shredding pow at Whistler this year with those Bonnies you speak of? I heard you made mcconkey run look like a green run. You should donate those skis to a museum.

  Bahaaa..

 

Actually took my skiis off and walked back up Mcconkeys..

Was more than I was willing that day..   Or any day for that matter..

the next day they blew it up to make it reasonable for the mere mortals

 

Kyle

post #35 of 55

I bought a pair of Brahmas and mounted Marker Griffons on them last April. I've been following this thread and hoping I wouldn't be next. Well, looks like I ran out of luck today.

 

Skis only have 8 days on them. Was in some soft, round bumps today and felt my heel come up. Thought the binding had partially released or something, then I looked down and saw the carnage. :(

 

post #36 of 55
Is it only Blizzard skis this is happening with or all brands?
post #37 of 55
I think we should start a class action lawsuit against Blizzard. If they don't know how to make a proper ski they should pay the price.
post #38 of 55

From the pics and locations it looks like the screws are pulling out of the core and holding in the Titanal layer.  I don't know if Marker screws are any different than others (and it seems like the same thing can happen with other bindings as well); maybe shops should be using smaller holes or longer screws for Bones, or Bones + Royals. It would be nice to know if epoxy was used with the problem skis' mounts.  If the delams were due to poor glue-ups you'd expect tip and tail delams, since that's where the ski flexes the most in the bumps or if it hits a rock. And maybe the problem with Markers is how many of them are out there? FWIW (nothing) I've got at least 100 days including a couple of core shots on Bones + STH's and so far OK. My son has about 50 very hard days, including a couple of core shots, on a pair of Cochises+STH's with no problems so far. 


Edited by oldgoat - 3/6/16 at 7:52pm
post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by gowestyoungman View Post

I think we should start a class action lawsuit against Blizzard. If they don't know how to make a proper ski they should pay the price.

Right.. especially when it's only one binding manufacturer that seems to be a reoccurring theme. rolleyes.gif
post #40 of 55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gowestyoungman View Post

I think we should start a class action lawsuit against Blizzard. If they don't know how to make a proper ski they should pay the price.

Right.. especially when it's only one binding manufacturer that seems to be a reoccurring theme. rolleyes.gif

I was hoping he was being sarcastic, but maybe not. Maybe if the skis start exploding . . .

post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


Right.. especially when it's only one binding manufacturer that seems to be a reoccurring theme. rolleyes.gif

 

 

 Did you ever think about the possibility that there are likely MANY times more Marker griffons on skis than any other binding ? ( at least on higher end skis )

That is likely the case more than .. The problem is royal family bindings..

Do you have any basis for saying its a binding issue or its just what you heard ?

 

Kyle

post #42 of 55
Maybe Heavy G knows......He is a master ski tuner.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by gowestyoungman View Post

Maybe Heavy G knows......He is a master ski tuner.

 

 

 Too much, too soon

 

Kyle

post #44 of 55
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Is it only Blizzard skis this is happening with or all brands?

It would be interesting to know . Are any or all of the Marker bindings regular or demo models? Does that make a difference.  I'm wondering because I have Griffon Demo's on my PT89's. Is it just a matter of time before I rip them out?

post #46 of 55
I know nothing about ski and binding in question. But it appears as if the screws have stripped out of the core and only the top sheet of metal is holding the binding.

So could be either faulty core, water ingress therefore rotting core away or screws are too short.

Given it's the same binding each time, my money is on the screws.
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by Speerhead View Post


 Did you ever think about the possibility that there are likely MANY times more Marker griffons on skis than any other binding ? ( at least on higher end skis )
That is likely the case more than .. The problem is royal family bindings..
Do you have any basis for saying its a binding issue or its just what you heard ?

Kyle

Well Kyle, I do sell skis and hard goods, and I do see what comes back into the shop for warrantee. Any binding can be pulled out of any ski on the right circumstance. Some seem to do more frequently than others. In overall percentages, there aren't a ton of warrantee returns compared to overall sales, but yes, I do see this combo more frequently than others. I also think from both the shop and customer standpoint both manufactures support their products very well.
post #48 of 55
Blizzard has been great so far, and warranty shouldn't be an issue. Haven't heard a timeframe yet for when I can expect the replacements.

I pulled off the bindings and it looks like the heel screws were epoxied - the screws were hard to break free, and there's some residue on the topsheet that looks like epoxy.

Funny, because the toe screws were properly snug but came out easier and it looked like only white glue was used for those. Maybe the tech who mounted them had reasons for using different glues? Either way, no chance that any water had got in there to cause the delamination.
post #49 of 55

  Anybody know if the warranty applies to the Original purchaser ?

I bought these skies used and have reported to blizzard and they are asking I bring them back where I bought them.

 

 

Kyle

post #50 of 55

https://www.blizzardsportusa.com/warranty-faq/

 

WHAT TO DO

Return your product to the Blizzard retailer it was originally purchased from if possible. Also bring a proof of purchase showing you are the original purchaser of the product. The retailer, along with Blizzard, will determine if the product is eligible for warranty. If so, they will then obtain a return authorization number from Blizzard.

 

 

Also later down:

 

I bought my product online in an auction, what now?
Unless the seller is an authorized Blizzard dealer, there is no warranty. Buying a Blizzard product on Ebay (or a similar site) from an unauthorized dealer is not covered by the Blizzard warranty. The warranty is for the original purchaser of the product from an authorized retailer.

post #51 of 55
Thanks
post #52 of 55
Why don't two of you non warranty people get together and buy a pair of new old stock skis? Then split the pair.
post #53 of 55

Well this is a bit of a bummer considering I just bought a pair.  I haven't bought bindings yet but will stay away from Marker.  I realize the exact cause or causes isn't really known yet but does anyone have a good amount of time on these skis that hasn't had a delamination problem and what bindings were you using?  So far someone said STHs but was hoping more could chime in.

post #54 of 55

Lots of people have bonafides with griffons and they are just fine.   I have 40days on bonaifdes and they are fine.  My friend has 150days on his bonafides with griffons, his heel piece pivot broke so that's a different issue, but unrelated to the ski or delamination (I think he stomps his boots in a bit recklesslessy).

 

The situation I don't think is that common, but I also don't doubt that it happened.  

It is like if you were the unfortunate soul who has a takata airbag and got shrapnel to the face.  Yes, if you "lose" this lottery you are in an unfortunate bind, but statistically chances it won't occur.

Plus if you've bought first hand then you're covered by warranty.  Your creditcard may also add an additional year to the mfr warranty.

 

I personally going on out will stay away from griffons for the other reason that I have a short BSL and they're troublesome to click into.

post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 

Lots of people have bonafides with griffons and they are just fine.   I have 40days on bonaifdes and they are fine.  My friend has 150days on his bonafides with griffons, his heel piece pivot broke so that's a different issue, but unrelated to the ski or delamination (I think he stomps his boots in a bit recklesslessy).

 

The situation I don't think is that common, but I also don't doubt that it happened.  

It is like if you were the unfortunate soul who has a takata airbag and got shrapnel to the face.  Yes, if you "lose" this lottery you are in an unfortunate bind, but statistically chances it won't occur.

Plus if you've bought first hand then you're covered by warranty.  Your creditcard may also add an additional year to the mfr warranty.

 

I personally going on out will stay away from griffons for the other reason that I have a short BSL and they're troublesome to click into.

  Speaking about griffons ..

Over all I like them , but they don't have a positive click-in and seem somewhat hard to step into. going forward I will be solely on Pivot 18's

I have a pair set at 11 and they seem to hang-on until I need them to release. And have an easy and positive snap in..

 

Kyle

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