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21.0 shells: any new ones?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

I'm in a Tecnica 90 junior race boot, size 21.  I believe it's the inferno.

 

There is really too much volume; the length is OK.  I do have a custom footbed.  Do I have any choices other than to have a custom liner made to take up the volume?  My sole length i=s 260 in this boot. I have a medium forefoot but narrowheel.   Female advanced skier; size 5 shoe size; 100#. 

 

Also have "gumby" joints; ankle hyperflexion. 

 

I've been struggling with proper (or should I say improper) boot fit for 20+ years.  I'm geting really tired of not being able to improve my skiing as I'd like.  

 

Jane

 

post #2 of 25

not at the moment.

 

don't give up hope there may be 1 or 2 in development. (don't hold your breath)

 

i am assuming that you have tried the faux 21's out there? lange, dalbello?

 

jim

post #3 of 25

Have you tried the Dalbello women's Krypton series boots?

 

Lou

post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 

I tried the Lange last season; too big.  I assume the same for Dalbello.  In the meantime, will a custom liner help?

 

Thanks.

 

Jane

post #5 of 25

Why do you assume the same for Dalbello?  If you can get a foam liner maybe.

 

Lou

post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Is the Dalbello a true 21.0? The Lange is not, I believe. Is the Chakra as good? Haven't been able to locate a Krypton in 21.
post #7 of 25

the lange is now using an independent mould for the 21 263mm i think, it cannot be below 260mm as most adult bindings cannot adjust to below that size, in the past (until next season) lange have been using a 22 outer shell with an adjustment to the inside of the shell (a series of plastic ribs in the toe box) for 2015/16 it is a new mould, this will mean the width is graded too ie it is not just a short 22...... i am yet to handle it but this is what they have told us at the trade show last month and i have seen a picture and comments from another fitter

post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thank you!  I've been waiting for years for this!!!!:yahoo:

post #9 of 25

jane b.

 

yes it's good news, but it still has to work for your foot. that will remain unknown until they are delivered next fall, and your fitter puts one on your foot.

 

until that happens you are just buying the sizzle, not the steak.

 

jim

post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 

Does the sizzle say if they're supposed to be narrow?

post #11 of 25

the boot is going to be in the family of the current RS 90/110 SC design, which is listed as a 97mm boot. that said, and back to my previous post, you will find out when everyone else does, when the boots are delivered in production next fall. yes we are all fired up with anticipation of this boots arrival to the market, however patience is the call of the day.

 

jim

post #12 of 25

Keep in mind that the 97 width last is what it would measure in a 26.5 (296mm) shell--- so if you were to take off 2mm per size change---

theoretically the boot could be as narrow as 87mm across the fore foot in a 21.5 shell size.

 

 

mike

post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 

I guess I'll have to be patient.  I've been skiing in boots that were too large for 30+ years, so I can wait.

 

I used to ski in Lange Jr. Race boots (5+ years ago) but they packed out and were too big within a week.  They were also tight in the toe box area.  Have they changed much since 5-10 years ago (110) ?

 

Thanks.

Jane

post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 

I looked at the "faux" 21.5 - guy in  the store told me it was a "real" 21.5.  When I pulled out the  liner there was the ribbed toe box in the front.  Therefore it's a 22 "shortened", correct?  Not likely to fit my 21.5 (measured) very narrow foot, correct???

post #15 of 25

how did if FEEL once you put it on?

 

 

what was the shell fit like?

post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
It felt ok but this was with my custom liner put in. She'll fit was too big; lots of room behind my heel.
post #17 of 25

Jane  was this a 14/15 shell or a 15/16 shell, there is a difference....look at the length of the shell.if it is 266/267mm then it is 14/15  if it is 261/262/263mm it is the new version, it makes a big difference

post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 

It is the 266.  The sales guy told me it will be the same next year.  Not?

post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by JaneB View Post
 

It is the 266.  The sales guy told me it will be the same next year.  Not?

No, they have an all new "real" 21 shell coming next season and as CEM says it is a 262mm (IIRC) shell. The boot is proportioned to a 21 centimeter foot. 

post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 

I should also add that two bootfitter told me I have excessive flexion.  The one who told me that the 266 was the "real" 21.5 told me I don't.  How do I know? I am one of those people who is  sitting duck for buying boots in a desparate effort to get something to fit.  

post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by JaneB View Post
 

I should also add that two bootfitter told me I have excessive flexion.  The one who told me that the 266 was the "real" 21.5 told me I don't.  How do I know? I am one of those people who is  sitting duck for buying boots in a desparate effort to get something to fit.  

Go with what philpug and CEM have said---by the way the 266cm boot shell is a 22.0/22.5 mondo size---the new 21.0 boot from Lange is a 262mm boot sole length and is designed from the ground up as an adult boot.

 

More than anything you need a BOOTFITTER!Thumbs Up

 

Excess flexion = the need for a stiffer boot to keep you from over flexing the boot.

 

mike 

post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for your help!

post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 

I found a 21.5 Dalbello Kryzma.  I am going to a bootfitter to get the heat molding for the liner.  It's a killer putting it on (and afterward) with the liner as is.  Very very tight.  I haven't skied in it yet.  Is this normal?

 

The shell fit looks good, as far as length.  I can't really see re. width.  The tightness is across my forefoot.  So tight I don't know if I could stand to ski in them.

 

Does this sound like something that can be addressed?  

post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 

I've had custom footbeds made and the liners heat molded.  I'm in the 21.5 Dalbello Kryzma w the intuition liner. I think the flex is OK.

I skied yesterday for three or four hours in spring conditions.  

 

I thought I might not get through the first run.  I took the boot off, checked the footbed placement to o be sure it was correctly seated, and took some more runs.  i had to unbuckle the buckles on the lift.  There was alot of pressure in the toe area,  on both size of the widest parts of my forefoot.  There was also pressure coming down over the forefoot, and some pressure coming up from the footbed, only on the right foot, under my arch. I would never be able to tolerate these for a whole day and certainly not in colder temps.

 

 

 

They got somewhat better as the hours wore on, but not enough to want to try them again before getting them adjusted/giving up the ghost.  I did, however, very much like the performance.  They gave me great snow feel and were very quick to respond.  Much better than the Tecnica 90 Attiva (21.5) I am currently in.  

 

I'd like to make them work but wonder if I should keep trying.  My heel is very narrow but I have a normal forefoot.  I measure a true 21.5.  100#, 5', advanced.  

 

Open to all suggestions.  I liked these boots for the progressive flex and more upright stance as well. 

post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by JaneB View Post
 

I've had custom footbeds made and the liners heat molded.  I'm in the 21.5 Dalbello Kryzma w the intuition liner. I think the flex is OK.

I skied yesterday for three or four hours in spring conditions.  

 

I thought I might not get through the first run.  I took the boot off, checked the footbed placement to o be sure it was correctly seated, and took some more runs.  i had to unbuckle the buckles on the lift.  There was alot of pressure in the toe area,  on both size of the widest parts of my forefoot.  There was also pressure coming down over the forefoot, and some pressure coming up from the footbed, only on the right foot, under my arch. I would never be able to tolerate these for a whole day and certainly not in colder temps.

 

 

 

They got somewhat better as the hours wore on, but not enough to want to try them again before getting them adjusted/giving up the ghost.  I did, however, very much like the performance.  They gave me great snow feel and were very quick to respond.  Much better than the Tecnica 90 Attiva (21.5) I am currently in.  

 

I'd like to make them work but wonder if I should keep trying.  My heel is very narrow but I have a normal forefoot.  I measure a true 21.5.  100#, 5', advanced.  

 

Open to all suggestions.  I liked these boots for the progressive flex and more upright stance as well. 

You made progress, that is good for the first day in an all new boot especially in Spring conditions which tends to include a lot of defensive skiing. Sounds like you have something to work with, yes you will need some tweaks but you are working in the right direction. 

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