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So to make a long story short.. I have super wide weird feet, plus expensive custom fitted boots that fit horribly and really limit how well I can ski. And how much I enjoy doing so. Feel free to skim through my ranting below to get the jist of it.

Have had ski boot problems since I was a little kid. Skiing hurt so bad that I didn't like it much. But I endured it and still ended up loving the sport. 
2 years ago late in the season (when I was 17) I finally had enough of whatever the hell Sniagrab boot I was in and went to Le Feet Lab in Winterpark half way through the day to get a fitted pair, It was possible my foot was still going to grow, so I decided to ask for a boot that might leave some room for that, which was a big mistake. Didn't grow at all. I got put in a 27.5 dalbello axium (I think). Skied it for about 3 days before I got injured and my season was done. Next year I skied on it a couple days before going in because it was too big. Had no control. He did switch out the shell for a panterra 100/110 for free, 26.5 but I kept the 27.5 zipfit liner. I skied on it a lot, and it's been "tolerable". I guess. 

A quick run down of my foot: About 26 cm long without support (flat on the ground). Have a pretty normal arch. Second toe is longer than the big toe by a decent amount (think this makes my foot seem overall bigger than it would be without the odd toe). And they're WIDE. Best I can measure 104-106mm, and basically from my pinkie toe 2/3 of the way down the length of my foot they're that wide. Ankle is normal. Calves are pretty thick, maybe a little lower than most. So you can get why I have issues with boots.

Better skier than I was way back when I first went in. I'd place myself firmly in the advanced maybe bordering expert category. Isn't really much, if anything, I can't handle at the resort. Even when I'm swimming in my boots. But I have no confidence in the control I have with them on, my heel lifts a lot (even with the buckles so tight my shoulder nearly dislocates strapping the buckle over the ankle down, and the heel lift adjustment as high as it can go). I am very confident its limiting my skiing a lot.The boots freaking hurt too. Have to unbuckle them after every run. 


Shell fit, probably 27~mm between my heel and the boot. Obviously way too big of a gap. Wish I knew what I do now when I got them. Boots are clearly too big. Anyways so I crank down the buckles to try and fix that. Which pinches my foot a lot (the shell itself is supposed to be a 98-102mm last (weird adjustable last mechanicsm for the last toe buckle), so I'm sure this makes an already too narrow shell narrower). In turn my feet lose circulation and get cold, also most likely due to the extra room in the toe box. Also apparently my feet sweat a lot or somehow water gets in the shell (can see the condensation in the boots clear plastic-A lot of water), which is possible with all the unbuckling and the boot's design (seems pretty easy for water to get in on top of the toe box). So by the end of the day my feet are cold and numb.


Now that my tirade is over, I'm trying to figure out what to do. Pretty sure I need to be in a 25 shell. Also need a high performance fit. And a wide ass boot. Flex ~120 I think. When I first got the boots I was doing more park so I wanted the softer flex, but I really don't do that anymore. I'm going to go back to the Le Feet lab and see what happens. The guy seems honorable and generally knowledgeable, but then again I'm not sure how he's gotten the sizing wrong two times (first time I get, second time I do not). They cost a ridiculous amount. I pay for all my stuff (always have), and basically I think I have a pair of useless $1K boots sitting here Don't really think the liners can be reused/sold or stuffed into an even smaller shell. They're a bit finicky too (putting on, taking off, wrinkling), believe I'd prefer intuition much more. Shell alone will be hard to sell. Footbeds could maybe be reused, pretty sure those are pretty good actually.

Looking at Dalbello's line (Le Feet Lab is exclusively Dalbello/ZipFit) I'm not sure any of the boots will really be a good fit for me regardless, without extensive shell punching but even then I'm doubt it. I'm willing to bite a bullet and buy new boots if I have to, I spend way too much time and money skiing anyways, mine as well actually enjoy doing it and get the performance I need . Thinking perhaps the newer gen of moldable shell boots (i.e. fischer vacuum ranger 12, or any number of salomon's boots (quest pro, quest max, x pro)) might be the only viable options. I'm also planning on going down to Larry's boot fitting in Boulder to see what he thinks. I am/may be screwed anyways, going to be hard to find boots in that size at this time of year.

Not exactly sure what I expect here, I know boots need to be fitted by an expert and I know that I'm not in the right boots. Just curious what ya'all think I guess. Or any advice. I've had to deal with shitty fitting boots my whole life so I suppose I didn't expect much else even after I went to a fitter. and/or chose not to believe there was something wrong. But after getting to be a respectably good skier, becoming somewhat of a ski gearhead, and ponying up to some bigger skis it's become pretty clear that I have a big issue.

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So to make a long story short.. I have super wide weird feet, plus expensive custom fitted boots that fit horribly and really limit how well I can ski. And how much I enjoy doing so. Feel free to skim through my ranting below to get the jist of it.

Have had ski boot problems since I was a little kid. Skiing hurt so bad that I didn't like it much. But I endured it and still ended up loving the sport. 
2 years ago late in the season (when I was 17) I finally had enough of whatever the hell Sniagrab boot I was in and went to Le Feet Lab in Winterpark half way through the day to get a fitted pair, It was possible my foot was still going to grow, so I decided to ask for a boot that might leave some room for that, which was a big mistake. Didn't grow at all. I got put in a 27.5 dalbello axium (I think). Skied it for about 3 days before I got injured and my season was done. Next year I skied on it a couple days before going in because it was too big. Had no control. He did switch out the shell for a panterra 100/110 for free, 26.5 but I kept the 27.5 zipfit liner. I skied on it a lot, and it's been "tolerable". I guess. 

A quick run down of my foot: About 26 cm long without support (flat on the ground). Have a pretty normal arch. Second toe is longer than the big toe by a decent amount (think this makes my foot seem overall bigger than it would be without the odd toe). And they're WIDE. Best I can measure 104-106mm, and basically from my pinkie toe 2/3 of the way down the length of my foot they're that wide. Ankle is normal. Calves are pretty thick, maybe a little lower than most. So you can get why I have issues with boots.

Better skier than I was way back when I first went in. I'd place myself firmly in the advanced maybe bordering expert category. Isn't really much, if anything, I can't handle at the resort. Even when I'm swimming in my boots. But I have no confidence in the control I have with them on, my heel lifts a lot (even with the buckles so tight my shoulder nearly dislocates strapping the buckle over the ankle down, and the heel lift adjustment as high as it can go). I am very confident its limiting my skiing a lot.The boots freaking hurt too. Have to unbuckle them after every run. 


Shell fit, probably 27~mm between my heel and the boot. Obviously way too big of a gap. Wish I knew what I do now when I got them. Boots are clearly too big. Anyways so I crank down the buckles to try and fix that. Which pinches my foot a lot (the shell itself is supposed to be a 98-102mm last (weird adjustable last mechanicsm for the last toe buckle), so I'm sure this makes an already too narrow shell narrower). In turn my feet lose circulation and get cold, also most likely due to the extra room in the toe box. Also apparently my feet sweat a lot or somehow water gets in the shell (can see the condensation in the boots clear plastic-A lot of water), which is possible with all the unbuckling and the boot's design (seems pretty easy for water to get in on top of the toe box). So by the end of the day my feet are cold and numb.


Now that my tirade is over, I'm trying to figure out what to do. Pretty sure I need to be in a 25 shell. Also need a high performance fit. And a wide ass boot. Flex ~120 I think. When I first got the boots I was doing more park so I wanted the softer flex, but I really don't do that anymore. I'm going to go back to the Le Feet lab and see what happens. The guy seems honorable and generally knowledgeable, but then again I'm not sure how he's gotten the sizing wrong two times (first time I get, second time I do not). They cost a ridiculous amount. I pay for all my stuff (always have), and basically I think I have a pair of useless $1K boots sitting here Don't really think the liners can be reused/sold or stuffed into an even smaller shell. They're a bit finicky too (putting on, taking off, wrinkling), believe I'd prefer intuition much more. Shell alone will be hard to sell. Footbeds could maybe be reused, pretty sure those are pretty good actually.

Looking at Dalbello's line (Le Feet Lab is exclusively Dalbello/ZipFit) I'm not sure any of the boots will really be a good fit for me regardless, without extensive shell punching but even then I'm doubt it. I'm willing to bite a bullet and buy new boots if I have to, I spend way too much time and money skiing anyways, mine as well actually enjoy doing it and get the performance I need . Thinking perhaps the newer gen of moldable shell boots (i.e. fischer vacuum ranger 12, or any number of salomon's boots (quest pro, quest max, x pro)) might be the only viable options. I'm also planning on going down to Larry's boot fitting in Boulder to see what he thinks. I am/may be screwed anyways, going to be hard to find boots in that size at this time of year.

Not exactly sure what I expect here, I know boots need to be fitted by an expert and I know that I'm not in the right boots. Just curious what ya'all think I guess. Or any advice. I've had to deal with shitty fitting boots my whole life so I suppose I didn't expect much else even after I went to a fitter. and/or chose not to believe there was something wrong. But after getting to be a respectably good skier, becoming somewhat of a ski gearhead, and ponying up to some bigger skis it's become pretty clear that I have a big issue.

Also I know there are some other boot fitters in Colorado I can see (including a few on this forum). Perhaps on a trip to the high country I can see a new guy? Any thoughts on that are appreciated.

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http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

Read through the above article----believe what it says!!!

 

go see Greg Hoffman at Beavercreek---he is listed in Who's who at the top of the boot guy's section.

 

mike

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