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post #31 of 53

As per some of the mentions above, I'll second the motion to include Taos. It's SO close to Wolf Creek, it'd be crazy NOT to go there. I just got back from a great road trip where I drove down from Big Sky to SLC (skied Brighton), went down to Wolf Creek (LONG day of driving), and then zipped down to Taos to round off the trip. Just better make sure you have AWD, chains, or snow tires in case you get caught up in a storm like we did. On the drive from WC to Taos, I learned that New Mexico doesn't do much plowing on their lesser highways. Drove through over half a foot of fresh for almost 30 or 40 miles. Took FOREVER, but we made it. No way I would've wanted to do that without the proper equipment. The same scenario can happen on ANY of your ideas for your trip, so be prepared is all I'm saying.

post #32 of 53
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That's a shit load of driving for two resorts that aren't exactly having stellar seasons.  I think you'd be much better off waiting three weeks to make up your itnerary.

 

This is an excellent point- I wasn't really looking at the proposed dates.

 

Right now the two week forecasts (out to Jan 21) are dry.

 

Wolf Creek's base has consolidated down to 46" after a string of warm days.  That's between half and 2/3rds of normal for this time of year.

 

Generally I feel a 60" base is what Wolf needs for all terrain except Knife Ridge Chutes to be in play. The early storms this year were pretty decent wetter base builders, so the mountain is skiing slightly better than a 46" base usually implies. However, stability has sucked this year, so in areas that have been bombed for avalanche mitigation, a lot of the snowpack has released.

 

Last weekend in Glory Hole, I dropped the cornice, had two good turns, then folded myself like a taco when the skis ran into a ton of avalanche detritus buried under the fresh snow.

 

Wolf Creek is at the point where all it needs to be awesome is 1 storm, but we can't see that storm in the two week forecast. If it doesn't come during your late January trip, conditions could really suck.  It has already gotten warm enough this week to make conditions very un-Colorado, and we have two more weeks. :(

 

I don't have first hand experience of conditions at Taos (check/ask in the "Taos in Jan/Feb" thread for that), but I have a bunch of free days at Taos that will not be used in January.

 

January tends to be the driest month of the season for Colorado. March is usually the snowiest, and in some years April beats March. (In Colorado, precip can be expected to fall as snow into May, and for high elevations June).

 

If you have to go with the dates you posted, I would not come here.  Maybe Whitefish, Bridger, Jackson, Targhee, etc.? I think their year is going pretty well, and I bet you can find the tree skiing you are looking for up there? Paging @sibhusky ?

 

If you can push it off into Feb, you can expect the snowpack everywhere to be that much deeper, and a good chance that Wolf will deliver the experience you are looking for.

post #33 of 53
I don't know where he'd fly into for such a trip, the airfare would be nuts. I think you'd include us with a Spokane base, or even a Calgary base. But staying here and ending at Jackson is going to require either a return to Whitefish or an open jawed trip, and it already costs more to fly here.

But, yes, we do have a ton of tree skiing. And coverage is excellent.
post #34 of 53
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I don't know where he'd fly into for such a trip, the airfare would be nuts. I think you'd include us with a Spokane base, or even a Calgary base. But staying here and ending at Jackson is going to require either a return to Whitefish or an open jawed trip, and it already costs more to fly here.

But, yes, we do have a ton of tree skiing. And coverage is excellent.

Judging by how cheap it is to fly from JFK to Denver as opposed to JFK to SLC or ABQ or Whatever city is in Montana or Wyoming its cheaper to fly there, rent a car and drive to your destination

post #35 of 53

^^^ Um, I know you don't mind driving, but you might not want to fly to Denver and drive to Montana :)

post #36 of 53
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^^^ Um, I know you don't mind driving, but you might not want to fly to Denver and drive to Montana :)

 

Assuming you're, say, trying to get to Big Sky - It's about a 12 hour drive, and a $300 price difference (Denver vs. Bozeman, MT). For two people, that's $600 airfare difference.

 

Assuming you wouldn't rent a car unless you flew to Denver, I don't think the cost would be all that different once you factor in the rental car and gas. Then add driving 12 hours each way in winter mountain conditions (which could make it even longer)... 

 

If I really wanted to go to Big Sky, I think I'd be willing to pay the airfare difference, and pay for a shuttle to the resort.

 

If you'd be renting a car either way, and don't mind the drive, then yeah - that's definitely going to be cheaper.

post #37 of 53
And Whitefish is another six hours behind Big Sky. And, really, you wouldn't go via Big Sky, you'd go via Billings. Big Sky would end up being a side trip maybe, but any straight shot between Denver and Whitefish without planned side trips for skiing would not be via Big Sky.
post #38 of 53

Access to easy cannabis was high on the OP's priority list though via Colorado (legal) or Utah (friends). I'm going to suggest he consider adding a small side road trip up to Washington at this point as well.

post #39 of 53
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Judging by how cheap it is to fly from JFK to Denver as opposed to JFK to SLC or ABQ or Whatever city is in Montana or Wyoming its cheaper to fly there, rent a car and drive to your destination

 

If you haven't already done so, you better hop on those dirt cheap fares to Denver that you found. JetBlue's nonstop JFK-ABQ for the dates you posted is $248 right now with the first checked bag free. If you can do very much better going to Denver, I definitely recommend you pull the trigger soon, as prices are likely to go up or sell out quickly.

post #40 of 53

Montana is herb friendly.  Card holders are good to go.  Not recreational like Colorado or Washington, but none the less, friendly. 

Bob

post #41 of 53

I just checked on flights:

NYC to Bozeman round trio is $389 on United

Rent a car in Bozeman, do the Bridger, Big Sky, Targhee adventure and have a great time!  you'll save money with tickets at Bridger, $52 and Targhee, $73.  Look for Big Sky vouchers for half price through Craigslist or Big Sky board.  They're out there.  Make sure you have a transceiver for Bridger.  Schlasman's lift and the Ridge are exactly what you're looking for, but require a transceiver!!  If you don't own one, check with my buddy Kevin Weisner at Ph.d Ski.  I believe he rents them, or he'll just let you use one of the shops!  Best shop in Bozeman!

Bob

post #42 of 53
It's not as friendly here as it used to be:
http://www.safeaccessnow.org/becoming_a_patient_in_montana

http://missoulian.com/news/local/ban-on-all-marijuana-proposed-for-montana-ballot/article_13913272-c75a-11e3-8ca9-001a4bcf887a.html
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Montanans voted in 2004 for an initiative to legalize marijuana for medical purposes. The number of people legally using medical marijuana remained fairly low until mid-2009. Then the number of people with medical marijuana cards in the state skyrocketed from about 3,000 to more than 30,000 over the next two years.

The Legislature in 2011 passed a law that greatly restricted access to medical marijuana. The number of cardholders registered with the state was at 8,307 on March 31.
post #43 of 53
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Access to easy cannabis was high on the OP's priority list though via Colorado (legal) or Utah (friends). I'm going to suggest he consider adding a small side road trip up to Washington at this point as well.

If I had time (and money) Id go all over the west coast from Taos to WC to Steamboat to Jackson Hole to Targhee to Sun Valley to Bridger to Big Sky to Whitefish and back down to Utah to finish it all off

 

.... Man I gotta start playing lotto

post #44 of 53

Now that sounds like a solid plan!

post #45 of 53
Fly to Denver. Rent the car. Wait until you are at the airport. Look at the weather and go. "untouched" powder is high on the list and the best way to find it is to decide where to go at the last minute. DIA to Jackson Hole is only 1.5 hours or so longer than DIA to Pagosa.
post #46 of 53

Looks like the forecast is shifting and Wolf is now expected to get a fair bit of snow next week, with more action coming through Jan 19-23.

 

That makes me a lot more optimistic that conditions will be decent in the Jan 30 ballpark (too far out to get an idea of snowfall that week). Assuming more normal temps (this has been a very warm season so far), snowfall the week before will still have things very soft with untracked out there if you hike for it.

 

Joel tends to be pretty conservative when it comes to Wolf Creek snowfall, so if he is calling 10", it tends to be a pretty deep day.

 

Assuming this storm lands, it should really help. Things are getting nasty with a week of quite warm temps.

 

https://opensnow.com/state/CO

 

I still like the idea of deciding to head N or S from DIA (Jackson/Targhee or Wolf+ whatever else) depending on what the forecast looks like.

 

I'm a bit more relaxed about mentioning Wolf now that the forecast is friendlier than from skiing month-old thaw/freeze snow.

post #47 of 53
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Looks like the forecast is shifting and Wolf is now expected to get a fair bit of snow next week, with more action coming through Jan 19-23.

 

That makes me a lot more optimistic that conditions will be decent in the Jan 30 ballpark (too far out to get an idea of snowfall that week). Assuming more normal temps (this has been a very warm season so far), snowfall the week before will still have things very soft with untracked out there if you hike for it.

 

Joel tends to be pretty conservative when it comes to Wolf Creek snowfall, so if he is calling 10", it tends to be a pretty deep day.

 

Assuming this storm lands, it should really help. Things are getting nasty with a week of quite warm temps.

 

https://opensnow.com/state/CO

 

I still like the idea of deciding to head N or S from DIA (Jackson/Targhee or Wolf+ whatever else) depending on what the forecast looks like.

 

I'm a bit more relaxed about mentioning Wolf now that the forecast is friendlier than from skiing month-old thaw/freeze snow.

 

Thats def going to be the tentative plan, we have free lodging in SLC so if the snow in CO is less than top notch we will just drive straight to Utah to rip it up at Pow Mow and Solitude.  The prices dont really fluxuate wether you book a hotel room hours or weeks in advance.  In terms of lift tickets we plan on searching liftopia and ebay for deals.

 

I just mentioned WC because the terrain looks great and untouched every time I do a little research.  If they arent getting bombed with snow we may just go north, spend a day or 2 in Steamboat or maybe even Wyoming (depending on conditions) before heading to SLC

post #48 of 53
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Well I just talked to my buddy in SLC, they bought a 2nd car, so now they are willing to let me use their car all week.  So not only will I get free lodging in SLC, but now a free car too!?!?!  I think Ill have to suck it up and pay the $350 in airfare and forgoe the glorious state of Colorado

 

 

 

post #49 of 53
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Well I just talked to my buddy in SLC, they bought a 2nd car, so now they are willing to let me use their car all week.  So not only will I get free lodging in SLC, but now a free car too!?!?!  I think Ill have to suck it up and pay the $350 in airfare and forgoe the glorious state of Colorado

 

 

 

 


Sounds like the best and most sensible plan yet.

post #50 of 53
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Sounds like the best and most sensible plan yet....

 

... is to take their car and drive to Montana!  :D 

post #51 of 53
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... is to take their car and drive to Montana!  :D

 

Powder Highway dude.

post #52 of 53
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Powder Highway dude.

If I had the money and a passport I would DEF love to try the Powder Hwy..... And the absurd roadtrip I posted before consisting of CO, WY, MT, ID, and UT.  If I was doing Pow Hwy, I would have to go all the way to Whistler and make my way down the Pac Coast and try those Washington Mtns.  MAN, I gotta play Lotto, LOL

post #53 of 53

I've been hearing that UT is having a worse season than CO. 

 

Meanwhile, Jackson and Targhee seem to be absolute money.

 

If it was me, I would take the car from UT and road trip N along with your buddy.

 

You hear a lot of Wolf Creek on this board because I am on this board. 

 

Targhee is one of the places I am near 100% sure is more "Wolf Creekish" than Wolf. More snow, better terrain, and less skier visits. 

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