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post #61 of 74
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Originally Posted by tball View Post

 

 

Or... have a quiver of vehicles, and pick the vehicle/tire combo that maximizes performance for the conditions you'll see that day.  Anything else is a compromise.  ;)

 

You do realize you are talking to someone that has no garage or space to store four rims much less another vehicle.  Bordering in elitist up there:rolleyes

post #62 of 74
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

You do realize you are talking to someone that has no garage or space to store four rims much less another vehicle.  Bordering in elitist up there:rolleyes

 

Well, I won't judge you by where you choose to live... but there is a lot more room for things like cars and tires out here in the west.  I hear the skiing is better too.  :D 

post #63 of 74
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

Well, I won't judge you by where you choose to live... but there is a lot more room for things like cars and tires out here in the west.  I hear the skiing is better too.  :D 

Cars are for commoners..

 

post #64 of 74
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

So, what's the difference between Extreme Contact and Pure Contact? Do both have DWS versions?

 

OK, so theres some nomenclature difference.  DWS is a wear indicator on the tire, but it is also part of the name of one of these models.

The Extreme Contact DWS is often just called Conti DWS in car circles.

The PureContact is never shortened to DWS (even though  it has a DWS wear indicator feature).

 

For the ski analogy, it is like Salomon Rocker2 ski goes by Rocker2, but the term "rocker" is generic.

 

The Extreme Contact (aka DWS)  is a more premium tire, the PureContact is 1 tier down tire for money savings, so may give up performance to save money/last longer.  

Tire rack puts the ExtremeContact in Ultra-high performance All season, versus PureContact as AllSeason "Grand Touring"

 

I would propose that the ExtremeContact is a superior tire to the PureContact, the tiers are important, and it is difficult to compare between tiers for customer survey results.

 

It is also not correct to compare TireRack test numbers from different tests( e.g. timings/distances) which is what you'd need to do to compare across the categories.  As you can imagine the snow or conditions will be different on the different test days.  But also more importantly, they may be using different test cars with different tire widths.


Edited by raytseng - 1/7/15 at 11:53am
post #65 of 74
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

So, what's the difference between Extreme Contact and Pure Contact? Do both have DWS versions?


The ExtremeContact DWS came out about 3ish years ago and also have a W speed rating,  The tread life was slightly diminished compared with the ProContact.  My experience was it was close to being the same if slightly better and had more noise.

 

The PureContact is a newer tire that has a longer tire life than the ProContact  (don't know yet only a 5K km on them) and a V speed rating, The tread looks a little more conventional and also has the DWS on the tread.  My experience is that it has more grip in the dry warmer weather, wet weather and snow/ice than the Extreme DWS.  Again this is subjective.

 

I suspect from what I've heard that this is the replacement for the Extreme DWS only.

post #66 of 74

I ponder simply out of not choosing the Conti LX20s the differences from the PureContact and ProContact?  Spouse the OEM Procontacts on her car but as noted I moved her to the Pirelli's. The Procontact is per Tirerack surveyed under Standard Touring All Season (not great) and the Purecontact under Grand Touring with good (well very good) reviews.

 

The LX20s fall under Crossover/SUV Touring All Season ...

 

any good way to get a feel for the plus and minus of each group other than guess? I thought (or presumed wrongly) that while they're in different categories that most folks still grade/rate similar so other than reading a lot of reviews, asking local, etc, they're really somewhat analogous other than understanding they are grouped somewhat by end purpose. Understood (or believed) too was that the split between passenger and light truck was more the Venn Diagram of choices .. most in passenger may not come in Truck size/profiles and vise versa.

 

Wondering somewhat as I was pondering the OP noting a BMW X5 which tosses sizes into the larger rim format.

 

On alternate note, I have found price wise that one can often find good deals local even with online deals. lots of folks offer price match which usually can put you close to online. Not that I'm bashing Tire Rack, good place, my brother picked up tires there regularly and I've pondered it since if you can be there, they offer you (or did) evaluation drives after mounting .. in case your unhappy.

post #67 of 74
Thread Starter 

Well, there are apparently no ExtremeContact DWS in our tire size: 235/65R17, so my choice seems to be the Conti CrossContact LX20 and Michelin Primacy MXV4.  I am hopelessly confused between all kinds of Conti Contact tires.  Extreme Contacts, PureContacts, CrossContacts - what the hell is the difference between all of them?    

Between Michelins and Conti, the Coross Contacts are slightly cheaper and have slightly better ratings.  Seems like a no-brainer? 

 

FYI, the car currently has Michelin Latitude Tour HP, which is was an expensive tire set.  It feels decent, but the snow traction has never been outstanding and it got worse after the tire wore out. 

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post #69 of 74

The CrossContact LX20's are favored quite a bit over your current model Michelin Latitude Tour.  I almost got these over the Firestone tires I bought. They seem too the SUV choice over their other models.

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=CSTAS&width=235%2F&ratio=65&diameter=17&tireSearch=true&filter=y

 

the Michelin's:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=GTAS&width=235%2F&ratio=65&diameter=17&tireSearch=true&filter=y

 

 

personally, I haven't driven any Michelin's though I would like too, price averts me from them so I trend to other rides. I've like the Continentals I had years back and was just shy of buying the LX20's. As far as reviews, I get hung up on em but will simply say that I read them as I noted previous, that I beleive when reviewing, the reviewer doesn't really care what bucket their review goes into. So, I read all the numbers pretty much the same other than say "Snow" verses "All Season", not sure I ever defined a tire as "grand touring" verses Crossover All Season or simply All Season, etc.

 

My being frugal, I think the LX20 would be the way I go but they're not as commonly sold in my area, typically ordered.

 

My only other (which isn't to frustrate you more) is Dueler H/L 422 which I might look at. I'd read some reviews on em and then simply base my own choice on how easy locally I can get em. You have Costco's out there which if not opposed to offer good prices, they carry the Dueler H/L 422 and the Michelins (and have $70 off a set of 4 now too, others retailers likely do too) should you go that route.

post #70 of 74

I'm a week late, so you may have already bought tires.  If you haven't, the single best tire I have ever driven is the Yokohama Geolander.  I have had them on a Mitsubishi Montero, Chevy Trailblazer, and Toyota Tacoma.  They have flat-out preformed better than any tire I have used in the past, including Michelin, Cooper, B.F. Goodrich, and Uniroyal.  What makes the Geolander unique is its amazing traction on snow, ice, and wet roads.  It has a lot of siping on the tread to help with the grip, but has consistently given me well over 50K in mileage.  I travel all over northern Wyoming and Southern Montana and feel absolutely confident with these tires whether it's a blizzard or gulley washer.

Take care,

Bob

post #71 of 74

resurrecting old thread, 1 cause need some advice from the Sierras Crowd. and maybe there might be good abuser comments from those driving regular.

I have a Hyundai Santa Fe, 2 whl drv, 6 cyl.  (was my son's vehicle until he moved Family back east...)

currently with Uniroyal Laredo Xcountry Tour,  225/70-16 - they're fine for anything non-snow (definitely a 100% on-road tire).

Santa Fe is used mostly around town and now does the trips to Mammoth - from Santa Barbara area...

so 380 mi 1-way of which all miles from SB to Bishop are done in Warm weather, High spd desert driving.

Only snow is usually from the Sherwin Grade up into Mammoth Lks & the Mtn; and mostly it's hard packed snow/ice patches with roadway between...

I carry chains and have no issues puttin them on when conditions require.

 

Car is great, I luv it.  Tires are great at speed and anything but the slick stuff in town - they truly are dicey on any packed snow...

I'm a very experienced snow conditions driver, having done a couple of decades of 20K+ winter driving (yes, a lot of road time...)

 

I'm gonna buy another set of wheels to use for the front (Front-wheel drive)

So what I'm looking for are tires which would do ALMOST as well as current ones on the long -highspeed driving section, and then have reasonable traction on the packed snow of mammoth lks.

The desert driving is a big deal, time-wise, and not-too-noisy/rumbly is a big deal.

I don;t really want full 'Winter' / snow tires - I'll use the chains when there's any solid snow layer to navigate.

The ones I would get would stay on the vehicle from Dec thru Mid-April-ish..

 

 

Any suggestions from the regular Mammoth driver or the SFO drivers who go to the Lake? (have read the thread and will consider all mentioned, but some updated opinions are appreciated).

 

THX a bunch!

post #72 of 74
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New Michelin Defender LTX M/S.

 

Originally Posted by moreoutdoor View Post
 

Any suggestions from the regular Mammoth driver or the SFO drivers who go to the Lake? (have read the thread and will consider all mentioned, but some updated opinions are appreciated).

 

THX a bunch!

post #73 of 74
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Originally Posted by sfo1 View Post
 
New Michelin Defender LTX M/S.

 

thanks, sounds like a great tire!

sadly they don't offer it in 225/70-16...  

 

but my local tire shop does have the older model, M/S 2 in my size - also gets good marks - gonna drop by and see what they look like.

THX for the tip!

post #74 of 74
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Originally Posted by sfo1 View Post
 
New Michelin Defender LTX M/S.

 

thanks, sounds like a great tire!

sadly they don't offer it in 225/70-16...  

 

but my local tire shop does have the older model, M/S 2 in my size - also gets good marks - gonna drop by and see what they look like.

THX for the tip!

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