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One boot quiver - real world flex questions.

post #1 of 11
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Unfortunately it is time to replace my Tecnica Diablo race boots.  Background info- 205 lb 5'11" 50 yr old ex racer (long ago ex). I am looking for one boot that will work for eastern hardpack, crud, tight trees, bumps that I can use for teaching and also skinning.  I want it all in one boot (if possible).  I have tried, in the shop, Rossignol Alltrac pro 130, Rossi Alltrac 120, Salomon Quest max 130, Fischer 120.  In the shop, which was warm, the 120's felt like noodles.  Even the 130's flexed easily. I do not want a boot that I have to be on top of all the time but I also do not want a boot that has no backbone. I started my search thinking 110-120 flex but when I have tried them in the shop they feel very soft. I would appreciate any input anyone has about the real world out of the shop flex of these boots or others.  Are boots that are designed for ski/hike actually as stiff as the flex they advertise? All input appreciated.

post #2 of 11
The stiffest of the side country boots are the Tecnica Cochise 130. Judging by the boots you've tried on, it sounds like you have a high volumn foot. If so, the Cochise series probably won't cut it without a great deal of boot work.
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The Lange XT 130's are (this season) maybe a true 115-120, and their 100 mm last is fairly wide in front, not in the back. I have a 104 mm foot across the mets and the LV model (97 mm) is about right. Toss in an Intuition PowerWrap, and you've got a true flex of 130+ with the last of the RS130, and walk function...

post #4 of 11
...but the XT's have a very limited range of motion in walk mode. Unfortunately.
post #5 of 11

True. They'd be fine for around the lodge, squatting down to help kids, and between the sole and the motion, way better for hiking than alpines; but can't imagine skinning on them. The models with better motion, like the Cochise, don't have the same duck foot last, though. I tried 'em all. Pick your poison. 

post #6 of 11

I really like the Lange XT 130's I've got 3 days on them and feel they really do well. as stiffer alpine boots.  the range of motion in walk mode is excellent if you loosen the power strap and move the top 2 buckles to the walk position.  I also like the ability to add the shims at the back for more forward lean. the wider last also let  me jump down a  shell size for a more performance fit.   my previous  alpine boot was a LANGE XLR.

 

Royal

post #7 of 11
take a look at the k2 and scarpa freedom, I believe the k2 pinnacle has a 100mm boot and the scarpa has a fairly large volume as well

and you could even use tech bindings for skinning
post #8 of 11
If the OP can make a 100 last work, then he should pull on one of the the Cochise series boots. IMHO, they hae a best locking mechanism and greatest range of motion in walk mode of any of the side country boots. The Pinnical, while a nice boot, is ungodly heavy.., I'm guessing its heavier than my Head Raptors. Oh! Which leads me to the Head side country tour boot. Haven't seen one, but I know they're higher volumn,
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take a look at the k2 and scarpa freedom, I believe the k2 pinnacle has a 100mm boot and the scarpa has a fairly large volume as well

and you could even use tech bindings for skinning

+1 on the Scarpa Freedoms.  I have these boots and have skinned a couple of 1 hour laps on them.  Pretty generous toe box but excellent heel pocket.  Some people on TGR have complained that they are pretty low volume over the instep but I have duck-flat feet so I haven't noticed; I'm actually thinking of putting in a shim to take up a bit of that volume.  I have also skied them lift-served quite a bit.  They fit more like a race boot (my other boots are Tecnica XT17s) and are certainly stiff enough to drive Kastle LX-92s on the tilted hockey rinks we're currently skiing on.

 

The OP mentioned that flex in the shop felt very soft...not uncommon.  If you haven't tested them on snow in cold temps, you won't really know.  The Scarpas are not as stiff as the XT17s (I think they are rated somewhere between 130 and 150) but I actually prefer them to the plug boots for anything that isn't groomer zooming.

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Any variant of the Dobermann 98mm (detuned beast) - these are a 120 flex & I can run gates to drive to the store in them. The names are aver the map, yet a Patron, Spitfire, Enforcer.... All basically same boot.
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
One problem I am running into is that the local shops have very little high end stock now. Also, the shops around here do not demo boots. I have been a tecnica fan for years but my shop is sold out. They don't think they can get any at this point. As I said earlier the other issue is that all the boots feel very soft in the shop. It seems like the flex numbers on the boots are very different brand to brand. It is difficult to figure out which boots are truly stiff and which will be less so.
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