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Interesting accident report  

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http://avalanche.state.co.us/caic/acc/acc_report.php?accfm=inv&acc_id=554

 

Thought this was a good read given recent discussions, particularly as regards the characteristics of the slope in question.  Breaking a leg on the tree sucks, but glad the consequences weren't worse.

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Back country rescues are always a bit more involved than extraction by blood bucket inbounds.  One of our group fractured his fibula on a glacier on the second last day of a week long tour in the NZ southern alps back in October. After proper assessment, our guide called in (sat phone) for a medi-vac by helicopter.  The helicopters could not fly in from the east coast (Fox Glacier and Franz Joseph Glacier) as mist has come up though the glacial valleys restricting visibility.  Eventually a heli was able to make it in from Mt Cook on the west coast late in the afternoon. In the interim we spent 5 hours digging a snow cave on a glacier (not easy) in case there was going to be no evacuation that day.

post #3 of 16

A couple of lucky boys. Might have been much worse.

post #4 of 16

Lot's of instabilities in Elks this year, particularly the shady aspects.

 

 

 

I had a freind totall shred his knee in heavy timber.  Getting him extricated was one of the hardest days I've ever had.  We had a fairly large party (5) and weren't even that far from a road. It was well past nightfall when we got him out and I was glad I always pack a headlamp.

 

The vast majority of BC skiers aren't prepared to preform even a simple evacuation.

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http://avalanche.state.co.us/caic/acc/acc_report.php?accfm=inv&acc_id=556

 

This one is very sad.  "...Studies of avalanche accidents show that 30% of people injured by trees in an avalanche are killed (McCammon et al. 2008) and that trees are the source of injury in about two thirds of trauma deaths in avalanches (Boyd et al. 2009, Haegeli et al. 2011). One author put it simply, “In our study, trees were identified as the most common objects hit in trauma deaths” (Boyd et al, 2009). This calls into question the belief that backcountry skiing below treeline, or on treed slopes can be the safer choice...."

 

I've caught a lot of flak for agreeing with the CAIC, but their comments are aimed at changing behavior for the future.  For good reasons.

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“In our study, trees were identified as the most common objects hit in trauma deaths” (Boyd et al, 2009). This calls into question the belief that backcountry skiing below treeline, or on treed slopes can be the safer choice...."

 

 

 

What other objects are there around and above ground level and sometimes present for a skier caught in a wash to collide with?  It would seem that it would be mostly other skiers or trees if the slide happens below the tree line.  If the slide happens above the trees as most do there really isn't anything there for skiers TO hit but other skiers.


Edited by crgildart - 1/17/15 at 5:09pm
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What other objects are there around and above ground level and sometimes present for a skier caught in a wash?  It would seem that it would be mostly other skiers or trees if the slide happens below the tree line.  If the slide happens above the trees as most do there really isn't anything there for skiers TO hit but other skiers.

 

Rocks, cliffs, bed surface, chunks of the slab that slid. 

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Rocks, cliffs, bed surface, chunks of the slab that slid. 

Not much "above ground level".  Mostly trees up there if it happens where there are trees.  If no tees, not much of anything else but snow and people bounding around in the wash.

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Not much "above ground level".  Mostly trees up there if it happens where there are trees.  If no tees, not much of anything else but snow and people bounding around in the wash.

Uh, what?

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Blah, hate, blah, hate...

Yawn.

 

"If there is room to ski and link turns, there is room to

release an avalanche."  Dale Atkins.

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Yawn.

 

"If there is room to ski and link turns, there is room to

release an avalanche."  Dale Atkins.

"If there is an internet, there is a straw man." segbrown

post #12 of 16
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"Riding steep slopes during periods of unstable

snow is always dangerous. Riding these slopes

with trees compounds the danger. Unfortunately,

many riders likely dismiss this greater danger

thinking that trees provide some degree of safety."http://arc.lib.montana.edu/snow-science/objects/issw-2012-736-739.pdf

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Uh, what?


Nothing.. just responding that it proves nothing saying people get hit by trees when the avalanche happens in the trees.  Of course there are trees in the trees..  more trees than anything else so odds are if you get hit by something in the trees that something will be a tree.  There is nothing to learn there, no new knowledge or revaluations in Kook's revival of this thread.

 

That is all.  I'm out..

post #14 of 16
If you've been in a few Avalanches and survived there's a little voice that tells you to stay away. It's like when the hair on your neck stands up. There's nothing like first hand experience.
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Nothing.. just responding that it proves nothing saying people get hit by trees when the avalanche happens in the trees.  Of course there are trees in the trees..  more trees than anything else so odds are if you get hit by something in the trees that something will be a tree.  There is nothing to learn there, no new knowledge or revaluations in Kook's revival of this thread.

 

That is all.  I'm out..


 There's no revival of anything.  I cited comments from the CAIC.  (And, subsequently, Atkins.)

 

Cleary some here find those comments offensive.  That's a forum problem, not a problem with the comments.

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