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post #31 of 53
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NFP:

So then...which ski did you choose and why?
post #32 of 53
Thread Starter 
Doesn't the slight rise in the tip and tail of the Rev Pro 85 make the ski a bit more versatile than the LX82 or 92 which are both flat?
post #33 of 53

No. Rise is one technical solution to making a ski easier to turn by reducing its running length on pack. Another is to reduce the mass of the tip and tail, which is what Kastle does. Moreover, everything's a tradeoff; a Kastle's lack of early rise makes it a bit quicker to bite into hardback and hold on, a bit less floaty in crud. Which is somewhat offset by the extra 7 mm of width. Both are excellent skis, not clear on'e more versatile. 

 

Also it's useful to ask ourselves what "versatile" means. Seems like a good thing, no? Everyone wants everything we use to be "versatile." But if the place we ski has one type of conditions 80% of the time, is it better to have a ski that will be nearly perfect that 80%, and decent the rest, or a ski that will be good but not great 100% of the time? Just asking... 

post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by Michaelfahlund View Post

Doesn't the slight rise in the tip and tail of the Rev Pro 85 make the ski a bit more versatile than the LX82 or 92 which are both flat?

You are at the point here where book knowledge has no more to contribute and the only effective next step is either to demo or buy blind.
post #35 of 53
Would you sell the Rev85 or keep both that and an Lx82?
I want to know why @habacomike won't ski his bmx128 again.
post #36 of 53
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Would you sell the Rev85 or keep both that and an Lx82?
I want to know why @habacomike won't ski his bmx128 again.

James, I doubt I'll be in conditions to do so. I would've taken them heli skiing last year, but the heli place provided Kastle's so why haul them? The mx98 is a great off piste ski. I've skied them in 24+ inches and see no need for anything wider. Perhaps if I go cat skiing I'll take them, but they are quite heavy as a touring ski. Great once you have them at the top of the hill (presuming its untracked and bottomless with the manky wind slab/sun crust thrown in), but IMHO it's a very specialized tool.
post #37 of 53
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Beyond...thank you for your comments and help. As you can tell, I'm trying to find the magic bullet, to say nothing of trying to find the best ski that fits my ability. I suppose everyone goes through this and perhaps most especially those of us in the east where we want to have the ski that will also perform in the west where conditions are often considerably more varied...at least with respect to groomed and ungroomed/cut up crud. I'm having trouble just accepting the ski I have (the Rev Pro 85) and enjoying the sport, as opposed to always thinking I might enjoy the sport more with a ski that is touted to be among the best. The answer I think lies in the underlying ability of the skier, especially if the two skis in question are relatively good and comparable.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by Michaelfahlund View Post

I just want to be sure the LX82 will be ok in, say, 6" of cut-up powder/crud. To say it another way, would the LX92 be able to hold its grip on a well-packed groomer?

Indian and the arrow. smile.gif

I've skied most of the Kastles you've mentioned but not the LX's. Ive skied the Rev 85 pro almost exclusively this season. They're ALL nice skis. If the Rev seems like its not skiing well for you, make sure they've been ground flat. I've seen a few pairs that are a bit edge high in the forebody and shovel. With a quality tune, they should ski great! 6" of fresh is fine as well.
post #39 of 53
Yeah^^. I can't imagine a huge difference between the Rev 85 and the LX 82. You're not going to suddenly slay dragons with the LX over the Rev. It would be a feel thing.
You really have to try the LX, MX
Mx people tend to like that type of ski in general. A Laminate ski that's somewhat beefy. Since you don't know that, I'd say for sure the LX. But we could tell you 6000 things and it'll make little difference. We don't know you, and you need to go try them even if we did. They're way too expensive to get something you're not really going to like all that much.
post #40 of 53

Markojp had an interesting comment about edge angles. The side of my MX83 is stamped with the number 3 then 173 as well as additional ones. Is three the side angle that the ski is set to at the factory? What is the stock tuning angles for Kastle?

 

I have not tuned the MX83 and out of the wrapper I found it to have a 'sloppy to grippy' personality depending on how much I lay the edges over. Trouble is, at lower speeds (<30 mph) and crowded hills, I can't get it to carve cleanly - I am always hearing that sloppy slarving noise because I cannot get the edges over far enough. I am 56 y/o, 190 lbs, 5'10", type 6-7-8 (depending on how much caffeine I had in the morning). Maybe I need to put the edges to 1 and 3 degrees?

post #41 of 53
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Markojp had an interesting comment about edge angles. The side of my MX83 is stamped with the number 3 then 173 as well as additional ones. Is three the side angle that the ski is set to at the factory? What is the stock tuning angles for Kastle?

 

I have not tuned the MX83 and out of the wrapper I found it to have a 'sloppy to grippy' personality depending on how much I lay the edges over. Trouble is, at lower speeds (<30 mph) and crowded hills, I can't get it to carve cleanly - I am always hearing that sloppy slarving noise because I cannot get the edges over far enough. I am 56 y/o, 190 lbs, 5'10", type 6-7-8 (depending on how much caffeine I had in the morning). Maybe I need to put the edges to 1 and 3 degrees?

 

 

Check for flatness with a proper true bar. Make sure there's no hanging burr on the edges. Any doubt, run them to a great shop and have them do a 1/2 (west) or a 1/3 (east, midwest).... sure, some will like a 1/3 for the west as well... it's a personal preference game... and again, make sure they're flat. 

post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by Michaelfahlund View Post

NFP:

So then...which ski did you choose and why?


Chose the LX82....have a FX84 which I found lacking on hard groomers and at high speeds thru crud, but was very likeable and easy to ski..A killer off-piste ski!

I find the LX82 overall better than the FX84 for my type of skiing which is now more biased towards groomed snow.  I have not skied the REV 85s. 

BTW I am older than you, and used to rocking a Dstar LP, so I like skis that are stable at speed, and without lots of sidecut.  I'm also 150lbs, so don't need a tank.

 

Hope this helps....but best to demo, demo

post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by Michaelfahlund View Post

I'm having trouble just accepting the ski I have (the Rev Pro 85) and enjoying the sport, as opposed to always thinking I might enjoy the sport more with a ski that is touted to be among the best. 

Bingo. The difference between the skis you're considering are smaller by far than the impact of taking two or three lessons. Which will also be a lot cheaper than churning your 85's for some Kastles.

 

As far as your question about the LX's, I have skied the 92, my wife tried the 82. I liked the 92, think Dawg once characterized it as a "MX88 lite" or something like that, which IMO captures the feel pretty well. Very smooth, lighter and less beefy than the MX88. Has a speed limit, but high. Whereas I find the FX series to have very distinct personalities from the MX/LX's. My wife was not so enamored of the 82, thought it was nice, not amazing. But she's the power skier in the family, loves her MX88's, I'm the finesse person, whatever that means, love my FX94's.

post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by Michaelfahlund View Post

Beyond...thank you for your comments and help. As you can tell, I'm trying to find the magic bullet, to say nothing of trying to find the best ski that fits my ability.... I'm having trouble just accepting the ski I have (the Rev Pro 85) and enjoying the sport, as opposed to always thinking I might enjoy the sport more with a ski that is touted to be among the best. The answer I think lies in the underlying ability of the skier, especially if the two skis in question are relatively good and comparable.
See this or read the transcript.
Almost exactly what you're talking about.
"The Paradox of Choice" Barry Schwartz
http://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice/transcript?language=en
post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

Bingo. The difference between the skis you're considering are smaller by far than the impact of taking two or three lessons. Which will also be a lot cheaper than churning your 85's for some Kastles.

 

As far as your question about the LX's, I have skied the 92, my wife tried the 82. I liked the 92, think Dawg once characterized it as a "MX88 lite" or something like that, which IMO captures the feel pretty well. Very smooth, lighter and less beefy than the MX88. Has a speed limit, but high. Whereas I find the FX series to have very distinct personalities from the MX/LX's. My wife was not so enamored of the 82, thought it was nice, not amazing. But she's the power skier in the family, loves her MX88's, I'm the finesse person, whatever that means, love my FX94's.

Hi, 

 

I'm wondering if you or others have skied the Rossi 88 and how that ski compars to the LX82 or LX92 or whether you have any intutition about the comparison?  I have skied the Rossi 83 once but didn't really give it a good test because the conditions weren't favorable, and since I already have the Rev Pro 85 assumed the Rossi and Head would be roughly equivalent anyway.  Your opinions/ comments would be appreciated.  Thanks!

Michael

post #46 of 53

Have not skied a recent E88. But I have a feeling the REV 85 will be pretty similar, prolly a bit meatier. Again, I think you're having issues about embracing what you have, committing to it and getting on with the experience.

 

Which is why a lot of guys never pull the trigger with that ring...So maybe it would help to think of the REV as serial monogamy. Love it as long and hard as you can, then dump it for a better model.:D 

post #47 of 53

I just saw this thread as I'm researching the LX v the MX.  I am not an aggressive skier but can be depending on the day and how I'm feeling.  I'm a solid intermediate who doesn't yet do bumps and just started trees.  I mainly love and spend my days on groomer zoonmers.  Even though I weigh a good bit at 175 but I'm generally a mellow skier who prefers to just cruise.   I happened upon a great deal of 2016 LX82s demos with bindings in a 164 for $300 so I jumped on it.   I have never demoed a Kastle in my life but the deal was so good.  I currently have 2 pairs of Volkl Charismas.  I have a brand new pair that I use when I'm not teaching.  I have a pair of 2013 Charismas that I use for teaching so I might be looking to replace those with the Kastles depending on how much I like them.  I figure the LX82 would also be good in bumps/trees and would be a nice maneuverable but solid ski for when I go for my Level 1 cert.   I may ski them come next winter and hate them but this is my thinking and plan for them at the moment.  

post #48 of 53

I'm not sure if you have any questions  in regards to your purchase or you only want a comment, but all I can say is that you struck oil there. I have a thread that says Kastle is an overrated ski, but at 300 $ I personally would ski the 2016 LX 82 with a great pleasure. And yes they do a good job in bumps,trees and some off piste as well. No problem to go for a Level 1 cert neither. All in all you paid the right price for the right product.

post #49 of 53
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post
 

I'm not sure if you have any questions  in regards to your purchase or you only want a comment, but all I can say is that you struck oil there. I have a thread that says Kastle is an overrated ski, but at 300 $ I personally would ski the 2016 LX 82 with a great pleasure. And yes they do a good job in bumps,trees and some off piste as well. No problem to go for a Level 1 cert neither. All in all you paid the right price for the right product.

 

Thank you.  Sorry I guess I wasn't clear on if I had a question or was looking for comments.  When I found this deal I googled and found this thread and wanted to share so don't have questions so if anyone wants to comment that's cool.  I know Kastle skis are expensive and I don't ski where they are demoed so my likelihood of coming across one to demo was pretty small.  I thought this was a amazing deal so good to hear confirmation of this and that they should also be good for my intended purpose for them.  Of course I may ski them and hate em but I will keep my Volkl preferences out of my head and just try and keep an open mind.  Who knows I might like them, wink, wink.  


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I'm not sure if you have any questions  in regards to your purchase or you only want a comment, but all I can say is that you struck oil there. I have a thread that says Kastle is an overrated ski, but at 300 $ I personally would ski the 2016 LX 82 with a great pleasure. And yes they do a good job in bumps,trees and some off piste as well. No problem to go for a Level 1 cert neither. All in all you paid the right price for the right product.

Thank you.  Sorry I guess I wasn't clear on if I was had a question or was looking for comments.  When I found this deal I googled and found this thread and wanted to share so don't have questions so if anyone wants to comment that's cool.  I know Kastle skis are expensive and I don't ski where they are demoed so my likelihood of coming across one to demo was pretty small.  I thought this was a amazing deal so good to hear confirmation of this and that they should also be good for my intended purpose for them.  Of course I may ski them and hate em but I'm will keep my Volkl preferences out of my head and just try and keep an open mind.  I might like them, wink, wink.  

I think you'll like them. My wife likes her pair -- they ski like butter.
post #51 of 53

You bought a good ski at a good price and it fits what you were looking for. You will find them to be ski you can grow with.

post #52 of 53
Yep, great price for sure.

I bought a pair 4 years ago. I'm 5'8" 150 and I got the 82 in 172.

Overall, they're OK. I'm an upper intermidate and ski them sometimes. I ended up buying the blizzard 8.0 CA. I love these skis and only like the Kastle. The Kastle do everything "good" though...
post #53 of 53
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Yep, great price for sure.

I bought a pair 4 years ago. I'm 5'8" 150 and I got the 82 in 172.

Overall, they're OK. I'm an upper intermidate and ski them sometimes. I ended up buying the blizzard 8.0 CA. I love these skis and only like the Kastle. The Kastle do everything "good" though...

I am so curious to ski them. I just sold a pair of Blizzard Magnum 8.0ti. The magnums were rock solid on the hard pack but missing excitement to me. I found much more enjoyment on my Volkl Charismas.
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