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Fischer Motive 86 Ti - Can I Go Shorter?

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Just the other day at the station, I tried some Fischer Motive 86 Ti and must admit that I was really (really) impressed by how well they dealt with one of those typical Eastern ski days on the groomed runs and in the glades when the snow (where snow there was between patches of ice) was thick and heavy, cut up, grabby. But the Motives went through it all with significantly more poise than the Supershape Magnums that I normally ski. The thing is, tough, that I prefer a shorter turning radius and found that the Motives in 175cm length with their 17m radius turned a bit long. So given that I'm not after a powder ski, but rather more of a 4x4 that'll drive through most of the stuff that my smaller eastern mountain will throw at me most days of the season, would it make sense to get the 168cm which has a still-not-short-but-better 16m radius? Would that 168 Motive be too short for my 175 pounds, or would it still be OK? Will it still hold an edge at speed? How about stability? This would seem to go against all of the advice on that ski I've seen that tends to recommend going longer than shorter, probably because it is "all mountain" rockered. Any experience or advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Phil.

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"the Motives went through it all with significantly more poise than the Supershape"

Well, yeah. They should. How tall are you? What is your frame of reference? I.e., have you been on five other 80-90mm skis and singled out the Motive from among the six? If so, you've found your baby and don't need us. smile.gif If not, you may simply be discovering that an 88mm all mountain ski does better in choppy 3D snow than a 72mm carver. Yup.

Consider that the straighter sidecut might be one of the things that makes the ski more stable in the conditions you describe. But if you want to try something with more shape, the Rossi Experience and Head REV series come to mind.
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I am on the Motive 88 in 168,  but I am lighter than you (155).  I find the length fine, but I rarely ski at higher speeds so stability is less of an issue.  I don't have any issues with the turn radius.  Yes a different feel from my Fischer slalom skis but I quickly adjust. The M88 is the predecessor to the M86 and main difference seems to be the addition of some metal in the M86.  Yes the Motives do have some rocker, but only at the tip.  My guess is the M86 in 168 would be a bit short for you, at least on the groomers.

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At 175 lbs I wouldn't go much shorter than 175, that would really ruin the performance that makes that ski so great (my opinion, too). What qcanoe says is also true, I think: the fact that is has a bit longer radius makkes is more stable in crappy conditions. You could have a loook at some softer, a tad more rockered ski if you want. See if you can try the K2 AMP Rictor 90 XTI in either 170 or 177 (but gven the amount of rocker, I would go for the 177). Great ski to have next to you Magnums. They have about the same radius as the Motive (18 metres @ 177), but they have more pronounced rocker and they are a bit softer. More soft snow /crap oriented (whereas the Motive could well be described as a great hard snow ski that can also deal with crud and undeep powder very well).

 

Hope it helps.

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I weight few pounds less than you and find them perfect at 175.

I could go slightly shorter for non rocker eastern all mountain skis.

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