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Volkl RTM 77 on powder

post #1 of 9
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I am an intermediate to advanced level skier. Most of the time I ski in the east coast. I have a pair of Volkl RTM 77.

 

I used the RTM in Vail/Beaver when there were fresh heavy snow. Its the first time I skied on deep powder, but I felt very difficult. The RTM could not keep me up on top of the powder. When I was going down a hill at speed, sometimes the ski just "trapped" me and suddenly reduced the speed. 

 

I did a bit research. It seems that I need a pair of wider (powder )skies. I estimate about 5 days on powder per season. So from economic point of the view, I am a bit hesitated to throw in $1000 for 2nd pair. 

 

My current plan is to give the RTM 77 to my wife and get a RTM 84 for myself. 

 

My questions are:

 

1. Do I have to get a pair of powder skies? If yes, which model do you recommend? I prefer volkl this band.

 

2. Can RTM 84 do the job on powder? Can RTM 84 keep me on top of the snow? Whats the other choice ?

 

Appreciate for any feedback and ideas. Thanks

post #2 of 9
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Originally Posted by marioeva View Post
 

I am an intermediate to advanced level skier. Most of the time I ski in the east coast. I have a pair of Volkl RTM 77.

 

I used the RTM in Vail/Beaver when there were fresh heavy snow. Its the first time I skied on deep powder, but I felt very difficult. The RTM could not keep me up on top of the powder. When I was going down a hill at speed, sometimes the ski just "trapped" me and suddenly reduced the speed. 

 

I did a bit research. It seems that I need a pair of wider (powder )skies. I estimate about 5 days on powder per season. So from economic point of the view, I am a bit hesitated to throw in $1000 for 2nd pair. 

 

My current plan is to give the RTM 77 to my wife and get a RTM 84 for myself. 

 

My questions are:

 

1. Do I have to get a pair of powder skies? If yes, which model do you recommend? I prefer volkl this band.

 

2. Can RTM 84 do the job on powder? Can RTM 84 keep me on top of the snow? Whats the other choice ?

 

Appreciate for any feedback and ideas. Thanks

 

 

It is very understandable that the RTM 77 didn't work for you in powder. It isn't designed for that.  I don't think you'd find the RTM 84 to be much better. 

 

I recommend keeping your RTM  77s for the days of hard snow, and investing in a 2nd set of skis for powder skiing.  A pair of Rossignol Soul 7 skis, Volkl Gotamas (if you like the Volkl brand) both would be very good options.  I would need some more information to recommend sizes for you in those skis.  And there are many more good ski options as well, but those are a good start and very popular skis. 

 

And rest assured, if you consider buying skis my shop has many excellent options for way less than $1000, probably less than half that amount.

 

-jake

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Originally Posted by skiessentials View Post
 

 

 

It is very understandable that the RTM 77 didn't work for you in powder. It isn't designed for that.  I don't think you'd find the RTM 84 to be much better. 

 

I recommend keeping your RTM  77s for the days of hard snow, and investing in a 2nd set of skis for powder skiing.  A pair of Rossignol Soul 7 skis, Volkl Gotamas (if you like the Volkl brand) both would be very good options.  I would need some more information to recommend sizes for you in those skis.  And there are many more good ski options as well, but those are a good start and very popular skis. 

 

And rest assured, if you consider buying skis my shop has many excellent options for way less than $1000, probably less than half that amount.

 

-jake

 

Thanks. Do you think Volkl Mantra can handle both groom and occasionally powder? 

post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by marioeva View Post
 

 

Thanks. Do you think Volkl Mantra can handle both groom and occasionally powder? 

 

Absolutely.  Especially the 2015 Mantra. 

 

Just remember that the older Mantras (2012-2014) have tip rocker and camber and are 98mm underfoot.  These skis I found acceptable in powder but better in hard snow conditions.  If you already own a hard snow ski (like the RTM 77) and you plan on keeping it, get a new ski more dedicated to powder.  Give yourself two completely unique ski options.

 

The new Mantra (2015) is ever so slightly wider (100mm) and is a "full rocker" ski like your RTM 77 (zero camber underfoot with tip and tail rocker).  This will allow the ski to float a bit better in soft snow, and also be a little more nimble and pivotable in hard snow.  But in my opinion not as good of a overall hard snow performer than the older Mantras. 

 

Do you know what size you are looking for? 170, 177, 184, 191?

post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 

I'm still plan to keep only one pair for myself and give the RTM77 to my wife. 

 

I am 5'11, 170 pounds. I am thinking about 177cm to 183cm

 

I am doing the homework now. Lots of people like Shiro. Comparing between Shiro and Mantra, which one is better? When I mean "better", thats for 90% on groom and 10% on powder.

 

Thanks

post #6 of 9
I would get a pair of used skis, maybe 105 under foot. Gotama works.

Don't waste your money on new wide skis that you will only use aa few times a year.

Btw, the wider skis wil be a blast on the east cost in fresh snow.
post #7 of 9

Be careful with the proportionality of days in powder vs days at home as a ski buying decision.

Anything wider isn't going to feel like your narrower skis on firm snow and if you really love your existing ones on the harder packed snow at home for guessing much more than 5 days a year, what are you achieving moving to a compromise? RTM 84s IMO won't fix your deeper snow problem either so........

As others said above, maybe a cheap set of wider skis (90mm+) just for when really necessary or, make your wife happy and buy her new carvers and rent demo/perf level skis, if necessary, for those 5 special days a year. Something easy like a Soul 7 that anyone can have fun on easily without much practice in deeper snow as a current example if powder is an occasional pleasure.

If its firm to even light new snow what you have will still work, anywhere so.....


Edited by snala - 12/24/14 at 7:46pm
post #8 of 9

The Shiro is 119mm underfoot and far too wide for a 90% groomer ski. If you're sticking with Volkl and like their ELP design I see two options:

 

Keep the RTM 77 for groomers and get a wider ski for powder days, either the Gotamas (107mm) ,One (116mm), or Shiro (119mm)

 

-or-

 

Get a single All-mountain ski, either the Bridge (95mm) or Mantra (100mm). The Kendo(89mm) is doable too, but has camber underfoot which actually is probably better for your east-coast skiing.

post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for the help.

I decide to buy a pair of all mountain. Mantra, gotama or soul 7. I will demo them and let my body to make the decision. I will update here when I made the purchase.

Happy holidays!
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