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2013-2014 Fischer WC SL 165, and non WC 165, 155 review from a midwest racer / instructor

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     A bit about me, 6' tall around 180 lbs.  Very aggressive skier that learned on very long 204 k2 712's.  Mostly ski on hard pack in the upper mid west now on what most people would call ice.  I have not been in any leagues but always have people ask where I race.  Most of my racing is in Nastar and I always qualify for the Championships.  Also started instructing this year and find it to be more enjoyable than I expected.

 

     Demo days came early this year and I was already thinking of buying a slalom ski.  My go to ski was a 2009 Volkl RC Racetiger 15.5 side cut that I have been using for everything till last year.  Then I switched to a true GS ski and only used the Volkl for slalom.  The Volkl was really a youth gs ski which was very stiff and a 168 length.  Either way I wanted to switch to a true slalom ski this year and ditch the Volkl.  My reasoning is not really that it did anything bad it was just not great.  So early on this year we had a great surprise visit from quite a few vendors.  The skis I was able to demo where, Blizzard, K2, Elan, Head, Rossignol, Fischer, and Technica.  All of the skis were slalom skis except the Blizzard and the K2.  The rest were either world cup slalom or regular store bought slalom skis.  The Fischer ski that day happened to be a non world cup or what used to be the sc version of the ski.  I could go through the nuances of the different skis what I liked about each one but I will move on.

 

  The Fischer SL 165 non world cup ski was a unique ski that stood out to me.  Every slalom ski I was able to demo seemed very close.  they all seemed to do a few things very similar.  The amount of input to the corners was quite a bit less than my Volkl skis.  They all seemed very responsive, and could turn on a dime.  The difference I felt was more about the over all arc of the corner.  The crispness of the corner and how the ski actually carved.  I felt that most all the slalom ski's almost wash in the tail even when putting them on an angle which should cause them to carve. Some of the ski's felt better than others with the Head coming out as a close second.  It also could be that the skis were carving I just couldn't feel it the same way.  The Fischer was just an over all different animal.  Not only could it carve like I have never felt a ski do the transition from side to side could be done at a blistering pace.  The weight of the ski with those funky tails and the cut out tip really do make a difference in transitions.  It might sound odd to use this comparison but I also snowboard.  When on a snowboard it is nothing but pure carving and that is what I felt with this ski.  Nothing but pure edge tip to tail everything in the corner was translated back to me.  I even was able to demo the 155 length and although it was extremely short it was still the same ski.  I never felt that it was all that short either till going quite fast.

 

  The Fischer SL was a revelation, but as good as it was I still was on the fence.  That day I also got to demo a Blizzard 770 ti.  The Blizzard's that were available didn't have a slalom ski so the 770 ti was recommended.  The ski I got was a 167 length so a 17m turn radius, not really a slalom radius but still enough to jam some tight corners out.  It was a huge surprise as it could transition and carve but it had a lot of pop as well.  I wouldn't suggest that it carved as good as the Fischer but it was a joy to pop into the air.  I found the ski to be lively and predictable in that after a few runs I knew how to lean forward just right to pop them whenever I wanted.  The energy that the ski had was phenomenology fun and left me grinning ear to ear.  Obviously popping a ski is not something you necessary want on a race course, but so fun when free skiing.

 

  Then I got to demo the Fischer WC Slalom ski.  A lot of instructors have told me this ski is too much for them.  After a few runs I could see why.  Not only could the ski carve just like the non world cup ski, it had an enormous amount of energy in it.  This ski is not for the faint of heart.  If you put it on an edge and push into it the ski will return more than you put into it.  I found it increasingly difficult to stay forward at all.  Most of my runs I was fighting as much as I could to stay upright and not end up on the tails.  Even so it left me smiling at the end of each run.  On the chair ride up I could see that my tracks had left the snow each and every corner.  It didn't matter how flat the run was at spots either it would spring anytime.  It left me breathless in so many ways that I ended up purchasing the ski.  Since then I have found that you can ski without popping it but its not as predictable as the Blizzard.  In order to keep the energy out of the ski you have to wash the tail.  Of course you can also not rock on it back and forth but either method is not really the right way to ski.  Also if you are on a slow run it seems to quite down quite a bit.  I have also found it to be a wonderful ski to demonstrate parallel skiing to students as I can carve it at any speed.  Either way I find the ski to not be for the faint of heart and extremely fun which is what skiing should be.

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What Blizz model were you on? 

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It's so difficult to find the exact model. I know it was a 770 and blue pretty sure it said iq or something else behind it. The ski looks exactly like this http://www.blizzard-ski.com/products/x-power-770-iq-tp-10-cm2/. I know it was a great ski and can confirm it after going back to the ski area. We still have a few of the demo skis there. I might take it back out and give a fuller review later.
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I am a big fan of Blizzard's Power lineup. Still planning on ripping around on my 800s this year.  Just the perfect frontside ski for the good to very good skier.    

 

I haven't been on the Fischer non FIS SL, but a friend of mine has been raving about them!  Wish I could give them a try, tough to find a demo of race skis anymore.  

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Fischer currently shows 3 slalom skis - the WC SL, the WC SC and the Superior SC - on their website.  I am assuming you are taking about the first two.  I recently picked up a pair of last year's Fischer Superior SC in 165 for those days here in the east when the conditions are firm and fast.  I now have three days on them.  While the Superior SC is probably a step or two down from the two skis you reviewed, I could really relate to your impressions.  Initially I was concerned they might be too demanding to be on for a full ski day, but haven't found that to be the case at all.  They remind me a bit of the original RX8 I had years ago, just on steroids.   

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I have not tried the sc Fischer. I was only on the slalom both world cup version and the beer league. I was told i should try the superior and sc. From what I hear the older sc and the current store slalom ski are the same thing. I am not sure on that but they are the same side cut. Great ski for sure glad you enjoyed them. The non world cup is very easy to enjoy and not bad at all to ride around on. They have a wicked fast transition but the rebound is livable on the non world cup ski. I would suggest them to anyone who likes to carve sharp corners.
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  I have been on the Fischer WC SL 165 ski now for around 8 days at the resort.  My initial thoughts of the ski have changed quite a it.  This being my first slalom ski in a long time I was way over skiing it.  The technique I was using on all my demo slalom skis would be what used to be called jam and jet.  This is an older style of skiing where you would lean way into the tip of the ski and rock back to mid point.  Then in the transition the ski would pop or rebound leaving you to start the next corner.  The Fischer's using this technique would leave the ground on every corner.  Its wicked fun but not what you would do in a race course.  Out of all the demo skis I tried only the Fischer's and Blizzards had enough energy to leave the ground on every corner.

 

  With that in mind I started working on a pure carve with the ski.  The idea was to get more equal weight on the skis a more quiet upper body and let the ski run.  For this I was on a mid steep run what they would call a black diamond in the Midwest.  This weekend was the perfect time to try as the runs were so smooth as they had been freshly groomed.  The idea of a pure carve is to gain not lose speed on every corner.  So with that in mind I started skating till I gained the momentum to carve.  After that it was nothing but fast transitions and corner after corner of gaining speed.  I am not sure I have ever gone faster down these runs.  The ski has a huge amount of energy but it is not as crazy to maintain since I am not popping the ski into the air.  The feeling is quite different through the entire corner and in the transition.  It was smooth enough that the entire run feels like its floating the corner, transition everywhere.  In transitions the ski still has enough energy to almost come off the ground but doesn't reach the point that the tracks leave the snow.  Another instructor that saw me skiing just had one word for me, "smooth."  The ski seems quite livable on a daily basis running it this way.  It takes less energy to ski  and is able to transition wicked fast.  Still it takes a lot of technique, and a great deal of energy.  Later in the day it was obvious that I was too tired to keep going and was snagging tips a few times.  I didn't fall but it was just a moment to let me know it was time to go.  I would like to go back and demo a few other skis now but love this ski.  Carving just got a lot more fun no matter how I decide to turn.


Edited by utahsaint - 1/5/15 at 1:18pm
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Here is a video of me free skiing on these after running some giant slalom gates.  This is my first run on these in a week still love them.  They are so nice to be on after running a 27m ski.  They just love to carve.

 

 

 

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