Originally Posted by HRPufnStf
If you're finding candidates for $200-ish, go short. Too short for the long-term. It will make your early carving progression faster, easier, and more fun!
I'm looking, ebay, CL, the marketplace here, anywhere for some super cheaps, but it seems SL type ski radius is the way to go and I haven't found any of those yet. Well I did find potentially a HEAD i.supershape speed @ 170cm. Looks pretty beat up, I'm trying to get some more details on it.
Originally Posted by Ghost
The length of ski depends on your weight, the surface your skiing on and the speed and size of your turns. SL skis are designed to cleanly carve turns on relatively hard surfaces under 13 m in radius at speeds under 40 mph. Ideally you would want a ski about 170 cm long for doing that at your weight. GS skis are designed to cleanly carve larger turns at higher speeds, SG skis larger and faster still, and DH skis much larger much faster. Generally speaking you would want about 180 to 190 cm for a GS ski. If you get a SL you will be making more turns per trip down the hill. Also, the closer your ski is to a real FIS ski the stiffer it will be and the more effort and speed will be required to really get it to bend into a nice tight turn. While a true race ski might be more satisfying when you're pushing it, it would also make it harder to learn.
Also watch out when buying old race skis that there is enough metal left on the edges to sharpen.
Turn radius and speed sort of go together. a=V^2/R, so consider tipping a ski up on edge and making a 2-g, 6-m radius turn, you would be going 40 mph. Now consider tipping a GS ski up on edge and making a 2-g 12 m turn, you would be going 55 mph. Not that you're going to be pulling 2 g when you start out, but you get the idea. The longer skis help smooth things out at speed, but it's not really needed for stability in the traditional sense.
I've been schooled! Thank you :) Lots of good info there to digest. Does the same apply to SL skies? The extra length smooths things out a bit, but isn't really needed? Or does the extra length just get in the way of making such short turns?
Originally Posted by raytseng
Do they have demo bindings on them or do you have to change them? If they don't have demo bindings, then that's going to incur additional cost for you. You may want to just eat the cost and rent for a few times to get over the hump then buy a better ski you can grow into. Hopefully you will get the trip within a few days.
You don't want to get a true "carving" or race ski to learn carving. I think the other posters forgot what it's like to learn. If you get the true carving ski that's going to be an all camber, they're going to expect precision points of engagements that you don't know how to do well yet.
Just get the modern all-mountain with rocker about chin height.
That will help ease into the tipping and not just send 1 ski one way and the other the other way if you don't tip them at the same time. When you've mastered that and you enjoy carving, then get a carving ski.
It's like throwing someone into a sports manual car, but they don't know how to drive stick yet. Rocker is like giving you automatic transmission.
I'd go for the RTM, maybe the rossi pursuit-(there's too many models of this)it's a more recent model and not an older one. steadfast would be a ski you may like, but not specifically to learn carving. rest i wouldn't go for if i were in your shoes.
Although all those skis in my list were a system ski or included some sort of demo binding, it does not appear any of them have a short enough SL type radius so the search continues. The RTM has I think an 18m or so turn radius, not quite SL but much more versatile "all mountain". The Pursuit was the black HP one. I don't think that would work at 170m
I also think I want to stay away from a race ski or anything too technical. Right now I'm looking online for a frontside "consumer" piste ski. Most of the big companies seem to have a line of these so I'm hopeful I can find something.
For example HEAD has the i.supershape line with 10% tip rocker that makes turn initiation a bit friendlier and less technical. Would something in the supershape line work for me? They all seem to have 14m and under TR.
I'm still not opposed to picking up a super cheap disposable ski to learn with if I can find one, but if I'm gonna spend over $200-300 I might as well get something with a bit more permanence to it.
If I go that route, should I be looking at something in the 75-80mm range as opposed to the 65-75mm range? I only ask because I don't know how versatile the narrower waists are and groomers can be pretty chopped up by the afternoon sometimes.